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I keep saying that Morrison is expendable, and truthfully, he is.

 

It sucks, but right now, he's really more of a DH than anything. He's got no glove [uZR is currently -6.9, would be worse if his arm weren't above average for a first baseman] and other than drawing walks, he's not doing anything offensively with a .717 OPS. It's no vendetta against Morrison, I'll say that right now.

 

 

Well, for the most part this season he's been fine. He's slumping of late, but I do agree that he needs to be better. I don't think he's someone we should be worried about, however. He missed quite a bit of time, is recovering from an injury, hasn't had any stability in the lineup, and simply has zero protection. Why would you throw him a pitch to hit with a man in scoring position when Adeiny Hechavarria is up next (This example happened last night)? I give LoMo the benefit of the doubt, his upside exceeds any other options, and he's still cheap next year. Let's focus on the positions that are necessity: catcher, shortstop, third base. Good to hear they're focusing on at least two of three...

 

 

He's supposed to be a patient hitter who draws walks. If they're not throwing him anything good, then he should just draw a bunch of walks. I would be okay with a lower OPS if it was driven by a higher OBP.

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I keep saying that Morrison is expendable, and truthfully, he is.

 

It sucks, but right now, he's really more of a DH than anything. He's got no glove [uZR is currently -6.9, would be worse if his arm weren't above average for a first baseman] and other than drawing walks, he's not doing anything offensively with a .717 OPS. It's no vendetta against Morrison, I'll say that right now.

 

 

Well, for the most part this season he's been fine. He's slumping of late, but I do agree that he needs to be better. I don't think he's someone we should be worried about, however. He missed quite a bit of time, is recovering from an injury, hasn't had any stability in the lineup, and simply has zero protection. Why would you throw him a pitch to hit with a man in scoring position when Adeiny Hechavarria is up next (This example happened last night)? I give LoMo the benefit of the doubt, his upside exceeds any other options, and he's still cheap next year. Let's focus on the positions that are necessity: catcher, shortstop, third base. Good to hear they're focusing on at least two of three...

 

 

He's supposed to be a patient hitter who draws walks. If they're not throwing him anything good, then he should just draw a bunch of walks. I would be okay with a lower OPS if it was driven by a higher OBP.

 

 

 

 

I mean, I guess it depends on your expectations. I have no issues with his BB rate this year, or his K rate for that matter. Both show me he isn't really swinging at bad pitches and he is taking walks... just not really getting much to hit. That doesn't necessarily have to mean everything's out of the zone, maybe he's seeing a large percentage of off speed pitches and he can't get solid wood on the ball as often as he would like.

 

And he's headed to arb, but I can't imagine he's going to make much more than $2-3 Mill.

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I still say he's expendable, and I'm sticking by that.

 

I'm fine with giving him all of 2014 to see if he can figure some things out rather than signing Abreu, but, again, we'll see how that goes.

 

 

I mean, I agree he is expendable and he is replaceable...

 

Depending on how much talent you want to trade or how much money you want to spend.

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I doubt the payroll stays the same. I'm one of the first to question Loria's motives, but I really doubt he'll keep payroll at this level.

 

I'm glad that he's at least saying he wants to target catcher and 3B. I hope he brings us a long-term catching solution next year. If he does that, I'm content.

 

 

How high do you anticipate payroll going?

 

What's it at currently for 2014 assuming gets like $6-7m and Cishek $3-5m in arbitration.

 

 

I expect something around the $50M mark. Remember that they claimed their dump wasn't about the money, and it was low because they saw no need to spend at the time. I don't think they'd be able to justify not needing anything. If they don't do it voluntarily, I think either the MLBPA or the commissioner's office will do something.

 

 

 

 

I thought a lot of it was due to a market correction. The Marlins drew a lot less in 2012 than they expected to. Knowing them, they were probably dumb enough to expect playoff revenue too.

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure they said payroll will go up when it needs to go up. They did mention that revenues were not as expected, but I don't believe they connected the current payroll level to the revenue they're taking in; they just mentioned the two factors.

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Marlins special assistant Andre Dawson said owner Jeffrey Loria told him recently that he plans to acquire hitters, and Dawson said there are three priorities: third base, first base and catcher. But budget constraints again could prove limiting.

 

The report is also saying the marlins are expected to keep the payroll at $36m for 2014 (What about that fat TV contract ... is always harping about?).

 

I wonder how we're supposed to sign stanton, sign jose, sign abreu, and sign mccann with that $36m. Hmph

 

The 2 guys manning 2nd and SS are among the worst hitters in baseball by a fairly comfortable margin...how are those positions not priorities?

Because Solano won't be the opening day second baseman.

*sigh*he is almost guaranteed to be

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Marlins special assistant Andre Dawson said owner Jeffrey Loria told him recently that he plans to acquire hitters, and Dawson said there are three priorities: third base, first base and catcher. But budget constraints again could prove limiting.

 

The report is also saying the marlins are expected to keep the payroll at $36m for 2014 (What about that fat TV contract ... is always harping about?).

 

I wonder how we're supposed to sign stanton, sign jose, sign abreu, and sign mccann with that $36m. Hmph

 

The 2 guys manning 2nd and SS are among the worst hitters in baseball by a fairly comfortable margin...how are those positions not priorities?Because Solano won't be the opening day second baseman.

*sigh*

he is almost guaranteed to be

 

 

 

 

I will bet you $50 right now, as long as they are both healthy, Derek Dietrich will be starting second base over Donovan Solano on Opening Day.

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Marlins special assistant Andre Dawson said owner Jeffrey Loria told him recently that he plans to acquire hitters, and Dawson said there are three priorities: third base, first base and catcher. But budget constraints again could prove limiting.

 

The report is also saying the marlins are expected to keep the payroll at $36m for 2014 (What about that fat TV contract ... is always harping about?).

 

I wonder how we're supposed to sign stanton, sign jose, sign abreu, and sign mccann with that $36m. Hmph

 

The 2 guys manning 2nd and SS are among the worst hitters in baseball by a fairly comfortable margin...how are those positions not priorities?Because Solano won't be the opening day second baseman.

*sigh*

he is almost guaranteed to be

 

 

 

 

I will bet you $50 right now, as long as they are both healthy, Derek Dietrich will be starting second base over Donovan Solano on Opening Day.

 

 

 

 

I'll take the bet but on the condition the $50 goes to Admin and the site.

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Done and done. Mark it down, Admin.

 

I also think Dietrich will post an .800 OPS next season, but I won't make that bet and that's just my crazy talking.

 

 

Awesome.

 

BTW I agree with you on Deitrich, but with Beinfest gone there is nothing standing between Loria and has anti-Dietrich pro-Solano ways

 

 

Red will be standing in that path. He loves Dietrich, and his team is going to need all the offense it can get. I can't see him allowing the FO to make that decision for him (maybe I'm crazy for thinking he gets to make that decision).

 

BTW, this bet might come down to who starts for the Rockies on opening day. If it's De La Rosa, you may win. If it's Chacin, I may win. Unless Dietrich simply runs away with the job (which is my hope).

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Jennings and Beinfest aren't dumb guys. They've had their respective jobs for a while because they are great evaluators of talent and consistently replenish the system with talent (Beckett/JJ/Stanton/Willingham/etc...) and low cost guys who perform above expectations (Cantu/Uggla/Jacobs/etc...).

 

The issue was always that Loria wouldn't spend to let the Marlins KEEP all the talented players that they've had over the years. If Loria provided some money to re-sign guys, we'd have a hell of a lot more talent now than we currently have (and the 2012 stuff was wasted money on injury prone and overpaid and whiny players).

 

It also doesn't help that the Marlins have lost a lot of the trades they've made over the last few years, but those trades were forced because Loria wasn't going to provide the money necessary to re-sign them.

 

It doesn't matter if Beinfest/Jennings go and they replace him with some yes man, as long as Loria doesn't spend money to provide a winning baseball team and continues to assert his input into baseball decisions when he clearly doesn't belong there, the Marlins will stay in the position they currently sit in.

 

This is gonna be a long rebuilding process boys.

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Jennings and Beinfest aren't dumb guys. They've had their respective jobs for a while because they are great evaluators of talent and consistently replenish the system with talent (Beckett/JJ/Stanton/Willingham/etc...)

 

 

Beckett & Willingham were before either Beinfest or Jennings and JJ was before Jennings

 

I'm really not sure what Jennings has done to inspire much confidence - I'm not seeing any great results at any organization that he's been a part of and the Marlins scouting/drafting wasn't all that great while he was wearing those hats

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I think it's hard to say given the high level of dysfunction ...... a whole bunch of people in the credit line and a whole bunch of people looking to push blame with very little understanding of roles, etc

 

An example of this would be that in September of 2011 the Marlins hired Marty Scott to replace Jim Fleming as VP of Player Development.

 

At the time Loria was grumbling about the quality and depth of the farm system - this was following the Fernandez draft of 2011

 

Of course they don't actually fire Fleming ..... they make him a "special assistant" to Beinfest

 

The whole thing is a cluster........

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