Wild Card Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't see how. They get a solid third baseman and a reliever for an oft-injured outfielder and an unimpressive minor league outfielder. Agreed, I figured Freese could be had pretty cheap and I was right. Probably confirms that the Marlins had zero interest in paying him, because they could have easily acquired him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't see how. They get a solid third baseman and a reliever for an oft-injured outfielder and an unimpressive minor league outfielder. Agreed, I figured Freese could be had pretty cheap and I was right. Probably confirms that the Marlins had zero interest in paying him, because they could have easily acquired him. Actually, that was a terrible trade by the Angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Jerry Dipoto may not be that good of a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't see how. They get a solid third baseman and a reliever for an oft-injured outfielder and an unimpressive minor league outfielder. Agreed, I figured Freese could be had pretty cheap and I was right. Probably confirms that the Marlins had zero interest in paying him, because they could have easily acquired him. Actually, that was a terrible trade by the Angels. Peter Bourjos has a good glove... woohoo... Why do the Cards need Bourjos when they have Jon Jay, who is fine defensively and a much better hitter? And the Angels didn't really need him, either... What they did need was a third baseman, and desperately. I like the Angels here, but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't see how. They get a solid third baseman and a reliever for an oft-injured outfielder and an unimpressive minor league outfielder. Agreed, I figured Freese could be had pretty cheap and I was right. Probably confirms that the Marlins had zero interest in paying him, because they could have easily acquired him. Actually, that was a terrible trade by the Angels. Peter Bourjos has a good glove... woohoo... Why do the Cards need Bourjos when they have Jon Jay, who is fine defensively and a much better hitter? And the Angels didn't really need him, either... What they did need was a third baseman, and desperately. I like the Angels here, but that's just me. Jon Jay is not fine defensively. Peter Bourjos is arguably the best defensive OF'er in baseball when healthy. Also, the Angels gave up an intriguing second player in the deal and only got Fernando Salas in return. It wasn't just Bourjos for Freese, straight up. Even if it had been a Bourjos/Freese swap one-for-one, it's still a win for the Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 They traded one of their top prospects and probably one of the most undervalued outfielders in the game for what I believe to be an overvalued 3B and a pretty bad relief pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't see how. They get a solid third baseman and a reliever for an oft-injured outfielder and an unimpressive minor league outfielder. Agreed, I figured Freese could be had pretty cheap and I was right. Probably confirms that the Marlins had zero interest in paying him, because they could have easily acquired him. Actually, that was a terrible trade by the Angels. Peter Bourjos has a good glove... woohoo... Why do the Cards need Bourjos when they have Jon Jay, who is fine defensively and a much better hitter? And the Angels didn't really need him, either... What they did need was a third baseman, and desperately. I like the Angels here, but that's just me. Jon Jay is not fine defensively. Peter Bourjos is arguably the best defensive OF'er in baseball when healthy. Also, the Angels gave up an intriguing second player in the deal and only got Fernando Salas in return. It wasn't just Bourjos for Freese, straight up. Even if it had been a Bourjos/Freese swap one-for-one, it's still a win for the Cardinals. I just feel adding Bourjos to subtract Jay is redundant, but the Angels filled a huge void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't see how. They get a solid third baseman and a reliever for an oft-injured outfielder and an unimpressive minor league outfielder. Agreed, I figured Freese could be had pretty cheap and I was right. Probably confirms that the Marlins had zero interest in paying him, because they could have easily acquired him. Actually, that was a terrible trade by the Angels. Peter Bourjos has a good glove... woohoo... Why do the Cards need Bourjos when they have Jon Jay, who is fine defensively and a much better hitter? And the Angels didn't really need him, either... What they did need was a third baseman, and desperately. I like the Angels here, but that's just me. Jon Jay is not fine defensively. Peter Bourjos is arguably the best defensive OF'er in baseball when healthy. Also, the Angels gave up an intriguing second player in the deal and only got Fernando Salas in return. It wasn't just Bourjos for Freese, straight up. Even if it had been a Bourjos/Freese swap one-for-one, it's still a win for the Cardinals. I just feel adding Bourjos to subtract Jay is redundant, but the Angels filled a huge void. It's possible that Jon Jay still gets playing time for them too. They're probably going to lose Carlos Beltran. The Cardinals are a smart team. They'll figure out platoons at 1B/OF where they get Bourjos/Jay/Craig/Adams sufficient playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Now that I look closer at everything, and specifically Grichuk rather than just a glance ... He's not too terrible. Decent power. Doesn't walk much, but seems to have decent-good range and somewhat of an arm. Bourjos is definitely a plus on defense over Jay, again looking more closely at things. He's still young, he'll be 27 on opening day, he could probably get things going in St. Louis. One thing that confuses me with him is his lack of steals, but that could be due more to injury than anything. Freese had a down year on offense, and moving to a much bigger, more pitcher-friendly park probably isn't the answer. We'll probably see him put up something between this year and last year as far as offense goes. Defensively, not good, but the Angels did need a bat over at third. Their third basemen in 2013: PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB 651 585 66 144 23 2 8 67 2 5 48 108 .246 .304 .333 .637 195 **Question - do you guys think they DH Pujols for the year and put Trumbo at first, or put Trumbo out in left and keep Pujols at first? EDIT - this could also allow the Cardinals to have Kolten Wong and Matt Carpenter both in the lineup full-time. Who goes to third? Carpenter? [This also makes it more of a win for St. Louis now, IMO] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Now that I look closer at everything, and specifically Grichuk rather than just a glance ... He's not too terrible. Decent power. Doesn't walk much, but seems to have decent-good range and somewhat of an arm. Bourjos is definitely a plus on defense over Jay, again looking more closely at things. He's still young, he'll be 27 on opening day, he could probably get things going in St. Louis. One thing that confuses me with him is his lack of steals, but that could be due more to injury than anything. Freese had a down year on offense, and moving to a much bigger, more pitcher-friendly park probably isn't the answer. We'll probably see him put up something between this year and last year as far as offense goes. Defensively, not good, but the Angels did need a bat over at third. Their third basemen in 2013: PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB 651 585 66 144 23 2 8 67 2 5 48 108 .246 .304 .333 .637 195 **Question - do you guys think they DH Pujols for the year and put Trumbo at first, or put Trumbo out in left and keep Pujols at first? Freese did not look good at all last year. Basically, from a risk/reward standpoint, it's a win for the Cardinals. They get a valuable player in Bourjos and the secondary part of the deal is a total win for them. I'm not sure why the Angels included a prospect like Grichuk for Salas who was probably going to get DFA'd anyway. As for Pujols/Trumbo, they should probably play Trumbo at 1B the majority of the time all things considered. I'm not sure that they keep Trumbo though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 That looks terrible for LAA I guess now the Angels have to suffer with Trout in CF and Josh Hamilton in LF Damn that Outfield defense went Downhill...NOT! They also have JB Shuck on the bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Anyone notice the Red Sox picked up the Hopper? Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Anyone notice the Red Sox picked up the Hopper? Awesome! Nah... Hopper to Boston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Anyone notice the Red Sox picked up the Hopper? Awesome! Nah... Hopper to Boston Admin hope I didn't hurt your feelings wouldn't want you to believe your posts are totally ignored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I'm used to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 It's possible that Jon Jay still gets playing time for them too. They're probably going to lose Carlos Beltran. The Cardinals are a smart team. They'll figure out platoons at 1B/OF where they get Bourjos/Jay/Craig/Adams sufficient playing time. You're forgetting about Oscar Tavares... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Tigers announced that Kinsler will be their 2B, why would anyone think otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Infante is the odd man out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Yankees sign McCann http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/yankees-to-sign-brian-mccann.html wtf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 That makes Salty to the Marlins on a blank check inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 5 for 85..option to make it 6 for 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vince0926 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Peralta closing in with cardinals. But guys rejoice a real marlins killer has left the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 5 for 85..option to make it 6 for 100. And a full no trade clause :lol No thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Yankees sign McCann http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/yankees-to-sign-brian-mccann.html wtf? I actually think the Yankees were a perfect fit for him, and he'll maximize the value of that deal there. He can DH on off days, as he gets older he can transition into that role more, and in Yankee Stadium his power numbers should rocket with the combination of extra ab's as a DH and the dimensions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yep Cards finalized the Jhonny Peralta deal. 4yr/52mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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