poptart Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 he's making half a mil this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 People seem to be forgetting that his agent is Scott Boras. He never does those deals. Carlos Gonzalez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 why not call up Heaney? they had no problem calling up Fernandez mad early Even more reason not to call him up and delay his Super 2. There is no sense in rushing his clock at all. This goes for all potential call ups in organization. Fernandez sets them back a year and a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 why Alvarez? what's his contract status? He's going to make $3+ million next year and they could theoretically have a rotation next year of Eovaldi, Heaney, Koehler, and an assortment of Turner, Flynn, Nicolino, Conley, DeScalfani, etc. Got to be the right price, but he is a bump by 2016 with Fernandez, Heaney, Eovaldi, 2014 # 2 overall pick, one of those above "cheap 5th SP options" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 It's apparently the Marlin way. It would also be incredibly stupid. In particular with Stanton/Cishek/Salty/McGehee/Alvarez (although McGehee and Alvarez should be available at the right price in all situations). Stanton is useless to a non-contending team 2014-2015. It's sad, but it's the reality of the situation now. If it's the right package and they get 5 young guys (i.e. infielders and a young ace... Pittsburgh could go all in Taillon/Polanco/all infielders in their system, you never know) who are MLB ready for 2016, it makes a lot of sense to beef this team around 16-20, i.e. Fernandez controlled years where they could likely sign him for a first few after with a buyout in 2 years after an arm injury. As for the rest, they are not going to be around 16-20. It's about creating a winner and not dicking around 78 wins just to prevent a 68 win season. Really depressing. This is absolutely devastating for the organization (and of course Jose) on so many levels. I suspect a major swoon to start any day (if it hasn't already happened) and serious questions of Stantons future to emerge by the end of June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 What have I said in this thread that's more pessimistic than what anyone else has said? Or far from reality? Spike is the one who said that Fernandez has become Matt Morris now and then you call me out for negativity? I'm not saying anything that isn't objectively supported by stats. To be fair, I said it is my fear that is the case. 1997-2003 Matt Morris was a pretty good pitcher, just not elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I expect ridiculously outrageous comments from Spike and ignore them at this rate. Take it as a complement given I understand your knowledge of the game. I understand where you're coming from 99.99% of the time. But right now it's all negative posts even WELL before the Fernandez news. There's enough good aspects about this team that the barrage of negative comments becomes tiresome. I am certain I know more about the game than you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I am certain I know more about the game than you do. I am certain you are full of shit. Fuck you and your Matt Morris shit motherfucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Yep. Donovan Solano is the worst player in the game and Edgar Renteria wasn't that good. Spike knows all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 He is done..season ending surgery Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofthefish Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Marlins medical staff says its an infected pimple and he'll be OK to make next start (Translated means he'll pitch sometime in 2015) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Fox is saying TJ and two seasons. They better be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Yep. Donovan Solano is the worst player in the game and Edgar Renteria wasn't that good. Spike knows all. Donovan Solano is one of the worst hitters in the game and I just personally didnt care for Renteria(and he was overrated defensively). If you had lived anywhere near St. Louis in the years Renteria was here, you would hate him too. They are an entire fanbase of Wild Cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Fox is saying TJ and two seasons. They better be wrong. TWO seasons? The fuck? Is he having a brand new Tommy John surgery that turns his arm into a bionic one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Fox is saying TJ and two seasons. They better be wrong. It would be the rest of the season and about half of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchainsaw Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 TWO seasons? The f***? Is he having a brand new Tommy John surgery that turns his arm into a bionic one? I mean realistically it will be a season and ~ a half, if he has TJ tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 It would be the rest of the season and about half of next season. Maybe he pulls a JJ and comes back sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Maybe he pulls a JJ and comes back sooner. How'd that work out for Johnson in the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 How'd that work out for Johnson in the end? Pretty well! He came back and had a back injury, a shoulder injury, a forearm injury, and now a second TJ. Very successful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 How'd that work out for Johnson in the end? I guess you're right. I just want him back god damnit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I want to clarify my Matt Morris comment. From 1997 to 2003, before his injury history really started catching up with him, Matt Morris was pretty dang good pitcher. He was pretty similar to Josh Beckett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Want to hear something sad? We won't see Fernandez pitch in another all-star game until 2016 at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I mean realistically it will be a season and ~ a half, if he has TJ tomorrow. It's usually about 12 months, though, isn't it? If the rehab goes well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Want to hear something sad? We won't see Fernandez pitch in another all-star game until 2016 at the earliest. You're such an ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 How'd that work out for Johnson in the end? Irrelevant considering they're completely different people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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