Piazza31 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 You're taking the scenario I built out of context. These two hypothetical players hit the same ball at the same velocity to the same fielder, but one runs 0.8 seconds faster. The second player has the obvious advantage to, for instance, beat the same throw to first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 BABIP only factors in the outcome, not the mitigating circumstances that got to the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 BABIP only factors in the outcome, not the mitigating circumstances that got to the outcome. That is exactly why the metric xBABIP was created to factor hard-hit balls and speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 xBABIP has nothing to do with speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 xBABIP has nothing to do with speed. It absolutely accounts for the players speed rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 It absolutely accounts for the players speed rating. That I know of, the statistic doesn't. You're right in saying that speed plays a part in actual .BABIP though so you're right about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Wow, I have finally had someone stand up and agree with me. Thank the fucking lord, once again, I'm not crazy. I believe there are a few different variations of how xBABIP is generated, and speed rating plays a factor in some peoples versions and not others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 That is exactly why the metric xBABIP was created to factor hard-hit balls and speed. Look, I'll entertain discussing this with you- but don't ever change the argument mid argument again. I don't have the patience for it. Are we discussing BABIP or xBABIP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 That I know of, the statistic doesn't. You're right in saying that speed plays a part in actual .BABIP though so you're right about that. I disagree, I believe it only factors in the final outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I disagree, I believe it only factors in the final outcome. Well yeah, but I assume that's the context of the discussion since it started with Dee Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Wow, I have finally had someone stand up and agree with me. Thank the fucking lord, once again, I'm not crazy. I believe there are a few different variations of how xBABIP is generated, and speed rating plays a factor in some peoples versions and not others. There's no speed factor in the actual formula is what I'm saying. It's just something that you logically apply when evaluating a player and predicting his future. It's also why career .babip's matter when evaluating actual talent level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Fair enough. So long as we can agree that Spike is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild blue Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 All of you need to let this go. When you think about it, you're all right. I apologize wild card is so argumentative. Yes, BABIP only factors in the outcome, but that outcome is certainly dependent on the players speed, how hard the ball is hit, how well it is fielded...etc. Accept you are all right and be friends. You're turning my husband into an angry blogging zombie (more so than usual) and it's ruining my Saturday night! Go fish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 3, 2014 Author Share Posted August 3, 2014 Fair enough. So long as we can agree that Spike is wrong. Except I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Except I am not. Except you are and nobody has agreed with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricOwens Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Without a doubt, a player that is faster than another player will on average have the ability to sustain a higher BABIP than the slower player. So yes, speed plays a role in BABIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Well yeah, but I assume that's the context of the discussion since it started with Dee Gordon. It started with Dee Gordon? Speed isn't affecting his BABIP, or even his OBP- it's his lucky rabbits foot. Lucky rabbits foot that's gift wrapped in dirty pictures of the baseball gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 All of you need to let this go. When you think about it, you're all right. I apologize wild card is so argumentative. Yes, BABIP only factors in the outcome, but that outcome is certainly dependent on the players speed, how hard the ball is hit, how well it is fielded...etc. Accept you are all right and be friends. You're turning my husband into an angry blogging zombie (more so than usual) and it's ruining my Saturday night! Go fish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Without a doubt, a player that is faster than another player will on average have the ability to sustain a higher BABIP than the slower player. So yes, speed plays a role in BABIP. But BABIP does not account for speed, only it's outcome. There is no part of the formula that says "S" or "Speed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricOwens Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 But BABIP does not account for speed, only it's outcome. There is no part of the formula that says "S" or "Speed". Correct, BABIP is simply the percentage a ball in play results in a hit, nothing to do with speed. But, a speedy player will capitalize on balls put in play more than others, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekromantique Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Yes. Piazza 31 is simply being too literal when people say speed factors into BABIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Yes. Piazza 31 is simply being too literal when people say speed factors into BABIP. Thank you! Consider who wanted to have the argument , I figured I'd oblige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 3, 2014 Author Share Posted August 3, 2014 But BABIP does not account for speed, only it's outcome. There is no part of the formula that says "S" or "Speed". I don't why you keep repeating this like you made some astute observation when it's really something painfully obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I don't why you keep repeating this like you made some astute observation when it's really something painfully obvious. It is because YOU'RE a fucking idiot. Isn't it obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 HE DID IT! HE USED YOU'RE CORRECTLY! PARTY TIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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