canada-marlin24 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Hand was solid. Exactly for giving up three hits and the game winning RBI to the pitcher. Papelbon owns us too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Amazing how shitty the offense is without Stanton... Scored 2 runs in the only win in the last 6 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 MarLOLs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I'd say Brad Hand has earned at least an extensive audition for the 5th starter position come Spring Training. Going into the season it looks like we'll have... April: 1. Alvarez 2. Cosart 3. Koehler 4. Heaney 5. Hand and once JFern gets healthy come July 1. Fernandez 2. Alvarez 3. Cosart 4. Koehler 5. Heaney/Hand While Koehler being our #3 starter obviously scares me, I don't feel absolutely terrible with that starting rotation to open next season as long as Heaney is able to step up and be a serviceable #3 by May. If we want to actually compete to start next season we're most definitely going to have to go out and sign a starting pitcher, but I think we can manage as is. Once July hits and hopefully everybody is still healthy and performing up to peripherals Fernandez/Alvarez/Cosart/Koehler/Heaney will be one of the most formidable starting rotations in the National League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Amazing how shitty the offense is without Stanton... Scored 2 runs in the only win in the last 6 games Another reason why you pretty much have to throw a blank check at him this offseason. While it's obvious the prospects we'd get in any trade would be unreal in any hypothetical Stanton trade, I feel as if it wouldn't come close to matching the impact Stanton will have on this team heading into his prime years. It will absolutely set this franchise back 3-5 years if and when we trade Stanton. He's simply not a replaceable player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 This team better sign a starting pitcher. There's no way that Brad Hand should be in next year's starting rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamibaseball Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 why was not game shown on fsn last home game of season??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 This team better sign a starting pitcher. There's no way that Brad Hand should be in next year's starting rotation. Agreed. And find a first baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 This team better sign a starting pitcher. There's no way that Brad Hand should be in next year's starting rotation. Brad Hand can be pretty good pretty often. And he continues to get better. I have no problem with him competing for the role of 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Brad Hand can be pretty good pretty often. And he continues to get better. I have no problem with him competing for the role of 5th starter. I do. It would show no interest in winning. Brad Hand should be nothing more than organizational depth next year. If not, he should be traded. If they really like Hand, then Eovaldi should be traded for value, but I like Eovaldi much more than Hand. The point is that we should sign a veteran starter to join the likes of Alvarez, Cosart, and Koehler (and, hopefully Fernandez after a couple of months) to provide stability to the rotation. A team interested in making the playoffs would spend money on a proven SP (and I'm not even talking about the top-tier SP's that we have no chance of signing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I totally agree with Erick. A solid SP is a must. You have to extend the pitching depth. Fernandez Alvarez and Cosart is great but you add one more to go along with that and it makes a huge difference especially when you could say Heaney or Koehler are the number 5 guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I do. It would show no interest in winning. Brad Hand should be nothing more than organizational depth next year. If not, he should be traded. If they really like Hand, then Eovaldi should be traded for value, but I like Eovaldi much more than Hand. The point is that we should sign a veteran starter to join the likes of Alvarez, Cosart, and Koehler (and, hopefully Fernandez after a couple of months) to provide stability to the rotation. A team interested in making the playoffs would spend money on a proven SP (and I'm not even talking about the top-tier SP's that we have no chance of signing). Well, just like your brother and his convo, my colleague whose wife works in the FO overheard Jennings/Hill/etc talking specifically and seriously about making a run at Jon Lester. So it looks as if they do agree with you, I'm just afraid at the cost of such an arm. But hey, it's not my money, so I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I don't think they're giving up on Eo either so he's in the rotation at least til Jose's back. If they sign a FA arm then not sure how it'll play out. I'm glad Hand got some opportunities this season, He got over his biggest hurdle which was walks. And while Erick's right that you don't particularly want to go into a season with Hand in your rotation, he's at least proven to be good depth if they were to use him as long relief/spot-starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I don't think they're giving up on Eo either so he's in the rotation at least til Jose's back. If they sign a FA arm then not sure how it'll play out. I'm glad Hand got some opportunities this season, He got over his biggest hurdle which was walks. And while Erick's right that you don't particularly want to go into a season with Hand in your rotation, he's at least proven to be good depth if they were to use him as long relief/spot-starter. Or trade chip. Hand coming into the year wasn't worth much, he probably doubled his value just being average this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Yeah Hand's trade value went from nothing to almost nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Yeah Hand's trade value went from nothing to almost nothing If his value was nothing they wouldn't have made it a point to carry him on the 25 man roster all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 If his value was nothing they wouldn't have made it a point to carry him on the 25 man roster all year. Ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Ok I mean that's fact. If he had no value they would have just DFAed him at some point without the risk of losing him, because a guy with no value wouldn't be claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I mean that's fact. If he had no value they would have just DFAed him at some point without the risk of losing him, because a guy with no value wouldn't be claimed. Jacob Turner got claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Jacob Turner got claimed. And we traded him for something. Jacob Turner had trade value. See how that works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 This is why nobody likes you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97marlin Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Is everyone on here stupid? Eovaldi was the best pitcher on the staff. And he is 24. If Eovaldi is traded this organization will be hurting themselves in the long run, and the short run. Henderson Alvarez and Nathan Eovaldi, And Cosart should not be traded, thought about being traded or even offered to be traded. They have more value to us as players for the marlins than they do on the market. It is dumb. Really Really dumb to imagine trading any of those three guys. Eovaldi 24 Cosart 24 Alvarez 24 Koehler 28 Heaney 23 That's our rotation. Brad Hand gets a spot in the bullpen maybe. He was lucky. So was koehler for that matter. No. We need a bat. Our problem right now is our offense. Not our pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 This is why nobody likes you. You should answer the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Hand has no trade value. I like him because he's got a small small chance of becoming a surprise #5 like Tom Koehler, but those kinds of players don't have trade value. I agree with 97marlin to the extent that Eovaldi has more value to us than via trade. That also doesn't mean we can't be disappointed by his season and question whether his true potential lies as a future #2 like we originally thought. I like the rotation. Things get a lot clearer when Fernandez gets healthy and if Heaney decides to actually be a good pitcher at the major league level. If and when those things happen our rotation looks like... Fernandez Alvarez Cosart Eovaldi Heaney That 1-5 would look very very nice. Given this past season I believe the beginning of next season will look like... Alvarez Cosart Eovaldi Koehler Heaney With guys like Hand/Desclafani/other minor league pitchers vying for that #6 spot aka guy who fills in when one of these guys sucks or gets injured. Even without Fernandez that 1-3 in the rotation would be nice if Eovaldi can look like his 2013 self rather than his 2014 self and if Cosart is even a tiny bit of what he was like with us this year. However, all these pieces aren't likely to fall into place as nicely as we'd hope. Given that, we need to go out and sign a starting pitcher. If anybody mentions James Shields, I will yell at you because that simply isn't happening and wouldn't be smart. But yes trading for or signing a SP is pretty much a must for this season. I'd love a cost controlled guy like Cosart via the trade market, but if we can find a cheap veteran coming off a so so year that we can plug into the #5 spot until Fernandez is healthy I'm perfectly ok with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 And we traded him for something. Jacob Turner had trade value. See how that works? We traded him for two low-A non-prospect pitchers. Hardly "something." We could have dangled Brad Hand and gotten the same return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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