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I'd say Brad Hand has earned at least an extensive audition for the 5th starter position come Spring Training. Going into the season it looks like we'll have...

 

April:

 

1. Alvarez

 

2. Cosart

 

3. Koehler

 

4. Heaney

 

5. Hand

 

and once JFern gets healthy come July

 

1. Fernandez

 

2. Alvarez

 

3. Cosart

 

4. Koehler

 

5. Heaney/Hand

 

While Koehler being our #3 starter obviously scares me, I don't feel absolutely terrible with that starting rotation to open next season as long as Heaney is able to step up and be a serviceable #3 by May. If we want to actually compete to start next season we're most definitely going to have to go out and sign a starting pitcher, but I think we can manage as is. Once July hits and hopefully everybody is still healthy and performing up to peripherals Fernandez/Alvarez/Cosart/Koehler/Heaney will be one of the most formidable starting rotations in the National League.

 

 

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Amazing how shitty the offense is without Stanton... Scored 2 runs in the only win in the last 6 games

 

 

Another reason why you pretty much have to throw a blank check at him this offseason. While it's obvious the prospects we'd get in any trade would be unreal in any hypothetical Stanton trade, I feel as if it wouldn't come close to matching the impact Stanton will have on this team heading into his prime years.

 

It will absolutely set this franchise back 3-5 years if and when we trade Stanton. He's simply not a replaceable player.

 

 

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Brad Hand can be pretty good pretty often. And he continues to get better. I have no problem with him competing for the role of 5th starter.

 

 

I do. It would show no interest in winning.

 

Brad Hand should be nothing more than organizational depth next year. If not, he should be traded. If they really like Hand, then Eovaldi should be traded for value, but I like Eovaldi much more than Hand.

 

The point is that we should sign a veteran starter to join the likes of Alvarez, Cosart, and Koehler (and, hopefully Fernandez after a couple of months) to provide stability to the rotation. A team interested in making the playoffs would spend money on a proven SP (and I'm not even talking about the top-tier SP's that we have no chance of signing).

 

 

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I do. It would show no interest in winning.

 

Brad Hand should be nothing more than organizational depth next year. If not, he should be traded. If they really like Hand, then Eovaldi should be traded for value, but I like Eovaldi much more than Hand.

 

The point is that we should sign a veteran starter to join the likes of Alvarez, Cosart, and Koehler (and, hopefully Fernandez after a couple of months) to provide stability to the rotation. A team interested in making the playoffs would spend money on a proven SP (and I'm not even talking about the top-tier SP's that we have no chance of signing).

 

 

Well, just like your brother and his convo, my colleague whose wife works in the FO overheard Jennings/Hill/etc talking specifically and seriously about making a run at Jon Lester. So it looks as if they do agree with you, I'm just afraid at the cost of such an arm. But hey, it's not my money, so I'm all for it.

 

 

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I don't think they're giving up on Eo either so he's in the rotation at least til Jose's back.

 

If they sign a FA arm then not sure how it'll play out.

 

I'm glad Hand got some opportunities this season, He got over his biggest hurdle which was walks. And while Erick's right that you don't particularly want to go into a season with Hand in your rotation, he's at least proven to be good depth if they were to use him as long relief/spot-starter.

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I don't think they're giving up on Eo either so he's in the rotation at least til Jose's back.

 

If they sign a FA arm then not sure how it'll play out.

 

I'm glad Hand got some opportunities this season, He got over his biggest hurdle which was walks. And while Erick's right that you don't particularly want to go into a season with Hand in your rotation, he's at least proven to be good depth if they were to use him as long relief/spot-starter.

 

 

Or trade chip. Hand coming into the year wasn't worth much, he probably doubled his value just being average this year.

 

 

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Is everyone on here stupid? Eovaldi was the best pitcher on the staff. And he is 24. If Eovaldi is traded this organization will be hurting themselves in the long run, and the short run. Henderson Alvarez and Nathan Eovaldi, And Cosart should not be traded, thought about being traded or even offered to be traded. They have more value to us as players for the marlins than they do on the market. It is dumb. Really Really dumb to imagine trading any of those three guys.

 

Eovaldi 24

 

Cosart 24

 

Alvarez 24

 

Koehler 28

 

Heaney 23

 

That's our rotation. Brad Hand gets a spot in the bullpen maybe. He was lucky. So was koehler for that matter. No. We need a bat. Our problem right now is our offense. Not our pitching.

 

 

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Hand has no trade value. I like him because he's got a small small chance of becoming a surprise #5 like Tom Koehler, but those kinds of players don't have trade value.

 

I agree with 97marlin to the extent that Eovaldi has more value to us than via trade. That also doesn't mean we can't be disappointed by his season and question whether his true potential lies as a future #2 like we originally thought.

 

I like the rotation. Things get a lot clearer when Fernandez gets healthy and if Heaney decides to actually be a good pitcher at the major league level. If and when those things happen our rotation looks like...

 

Fernandez

 

Alvarez

 

Cosart

 

Eovaldi

 

Heaney

 

That 1-5 would look very very nice. Given this past season I believe the beginning of next season will look like...

 

Alvarez

 

Cosart

 

Eovaldi

 

Koehler

 

Heaney

 

With guys like Hand/Desclafani/other minor league pitchers vying for that #6 spot aka guy who fills in when one of these guys sucks or gets injured. Even without Fernandez that 1-3 in the rotation would be nice if Eovaldi can look like his 2013 self rather than his 2014 self and if Cosart is even a tiny bit of what he was like with us this year.

 

However, all these pieces aren't likely to fall into place as nicely as we'd hope. Given that, we need to go out and sign a starting pitcher. If anybody mentions James Shields, I will yell at you because that simply isn't happening and wouldn't be smart. But yes trading for or signing a SP is pretty much a must for this season. I'd love a cost controlled guy like Cosart via the trade market, but if we can find a cheap veteran coming off a so so year that we can plug into the #5 spot until Fernandez is healthy I'm perfectly ok with that.

 

 

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