farmer_fran Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I know a lot of you guys aren't big fans of Looper, but there aren't any better closers on the market, except for Foulke who is out of our price range anyways. I say come in with Looper as closer same as last year, and maybe we'll be able to pick up a big name closer in July like we did last year. There is no need to waste money because we feel that we have to make the bullpen better if there aren't any quality relievers available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJC Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 our relievers will join the team through trades, i may not be a big looper freak BUT he is our best option at this time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I bet Vlad could pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJC Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 vlad pitches from RF... best arm in baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJB34 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 does any1 here remember that throw VLAD made against the marlins 2 seasons ago to throw out tim raines at the plate late in the game with a 1 run lead...... wow that was one heck of a throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geemoney Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 I bet Vlad could pitch Okay, I get it, YOU WANT US TO GET VLAD I don't think we need every thread to turn into a Vlad thread. Seriously. I'm getting sick of reading the same thing in every thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTrizzle Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 i agree i like looper his talent has not yet developed but if he makes 4 million through arbitration some how is there any way we can renegotiate his contract? its not like anyone else really shows interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanleylicious Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 i like looper his talent has not yet developed If his talent hasnt developed by age 30, than there is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJBurnett34 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 We should keep looper. Farmerfran is right, their arent many closers out there on the Market. The only thing wrong with looper is his pitch selection. He can throw 98 MPH but if you consistantly throw it they will hit you hard. He needs to improve his breaking pitches. He cant live off his fastball.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 for the money, Looper isn't worth keeping. Let us free up cash and get a real bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 We should keep looper. Farmerfran is right, their arent many closers out there on the Market. The only thing wrong with looper is his pitch selection. He can throw 98 MPH but if you consistantly throw it they will hit you hard. He needs to improve his breaking pitches. He cant live off his fastball.... I think his problem is in his head, he has the mechanics and stuff to be a successful closer (damn he demonstrated just that, most of the season). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTrizzle Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 i like looper his talent has not yet developed If his talent hasnt developed by age 30, than there is a problem. hes only been closing for 2 seasons, and he really isn't that bad at it give him one more year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJBurnett34 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 You know a guy we Should Bring up? Vlad Nunez. I think he has gotten his act together and can pitch like the old Vlady. I really used to like this guy, he had great pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Send Loop to a team foolish enough to bank on potential in this case, and maybe reap some good stuff out of it. (Cubs, anyone?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 You know a guy we Should Bring up? Vlad Nunez. I think he has gotten his act together and can pitch like the old Vlady. I really used to like this guy, he had great pitches. For closer? No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 You know a guy we Should Bring up? Vlad Nunez. I think he has gotten his act together and can pitch like the old Vlady. I really used to like this guy, he had great pitches. is he even with us anymore? anyway, Id love to keep "The Joker" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 You know a guy we Should Bring up? Vlad Nunez. I think he has gotten his act together and can pitch like the old Vlady. I really used to like this guy, he had great pitches. is he even with us anymore? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubes Beinfest Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 looper should be kept but not if hes going to make over 3... that too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer_fran Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 for the money, Looper isn't worth keeping. Let us free up cash and get a real bullpen. Who do you suggest? because there aren't any relievers on the market right now that'll knock your socks off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Benitez is an option, as is Al Levine who was with the D-Rays and traded to the Royals late in 2003. Al Levine in 2003 W 3 L 6 ERA 2.79 Pitching & Defense Levine worked hard on offseason conditioning and picked up a modest boost on his velocity, though he cannot live on a 90-MPH fastball alone. He gets better results with a sinking 85-MPH fastball than a straight 90-MPH fastball, but his slider is his best pitch. The Angels believe he is useful against all hitters, but his statistics were much better against righthanders (.229 opposing batting average, .299 opposing slugging percentage) than against lefthanders (.288, .470). He is adequate at holding runners on base and is below average as a fielder. He made under $1 million in 2003 I believe. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5642 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 With Levine I ask you to look at his ERA. He is near his career best in that department and with proper support of coaching staff and defense can be a very good addition for little money. I smell spring training invite or minor league contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer_fran Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 Benitez is an option, as is Al Levine who was with the D-Rays and traded to the Royals late in 2003. Al Levine in 2003 W 3 L 6 ERA 2.79 Pitching & Defense Levine worked hard on offseason conditioning and picked up a modest boost on his velocity, though he cannot live on a 90-MPH fastball alone. He gets better results with a sinking 85-MPH fastball than a straight 90-MPH fastball, but his slider is his best pitch. The Angels believe he is useful against all hitters, but his statistics were much better against righthanders (.229 opposing batting average, .299 opposing slugging percentage) than against lefthanders (.288, .470). He is adequate at holding runners on base and is below average as a fielder. He made under $1 million in 2003 I believe. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5642 I figured you'd say Benitez. I tell you this if we make a playoff run, I don't want Benitez coming in, in the 9th. As for Levine, he's a good pitcher, but not exactly closer material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 I am not saying closer, you need to start with the seventh or sixth innings when you build a bullpen. Levine and Benitez could get the setup role done along with Fox. Then you could have who ever does best be the closer. Let them work for the job in Spring Training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Benitez is an option, as is Al Levine who was with the D-Rays and traded to the Royals late in 2003. Al Levine in 2003 W 3 L 6 ERA 2.79 Pitching & Defense Levine worked hard on offseason conditioning and picked up a modest boost on his velocity, though he cannot live on a 90-MPH fastball alone. He gets better results with a sinking 85-MPH fastball than a straight 90-MPH fastball, but his slider is his best pitch. The Angels believe he is useful against all hitters, but his statistics were much better against righthanders (.229 opposing batting average, .299 opposing slugging percentage) than against lefthanders (.288, .470). He is adequate at holding runners on base and is below average as a fielder. He made under $1 million in 2003 I believe. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5642 I figured you'd say Benitez. I tell you this if we make a playoff run, I don't want Benitez coming in, in the 9th. As for Levine, he's a good pitcher, but not exactly closer material. Well, we apparantly felt the same way about Looper this year (Urbina trade). I think we're trying to get solid guys for the pen, and if we're in it come June and our pen isn't holding it together, we'll be able to go out and get some guys like we did this year with Urbina and Fox. Remember, pitchers, especially relievers are among the most traded players during the season, if we need one it'll be easier to go out and get a reliever than say a right-fielder or a catcher. And I am a big proponent of Benitez becoming our closer if Looper doesn't stay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Yes, we could go out and get a reliver in June. But do you remember what we gave up to get Urbina? I dont want to go out another year and give up top prospects to get a one year rental reliver. Or soon or farm will be like the one the Red Sox have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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