pollythewog Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 if they don't sign ian kennedy then they'll have absolutely garbage for SP at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Kennedy isn't even anything special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Seems like this is going to be interesting in the next 72 hours. Even today a couple signings done and some trades already. come on down doug fister! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 come on down doug fister! LMAO!! The price is most definitely right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Kennedy isn't even anything special. for sure but he's super solid and loads better than the garbage the fish are looking at (doug fister). He's at least trending in the right direction and is more than just a "hope he turns it around" kinda guy the marlins love. give him 3/45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 The TV deal really needs to happen. Look at what its done for Arizona and you cannot compare their TV market to Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Palm Beach. Our TV ratings probably trump them easily, although with Hutton gone now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 for sure but he's super solid and loads better than the garbage the fish are looking at (doug fister). give him 3/45 Iwakuma got that. I think it goes up to 3/48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Iwakuma got that. I think it goes up to 3/48 idk he may be comparable to iwakuma. Iwakuma doesn't throw hard so his pitches age really well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Kennedy had the second best K per 9 in the league last year. I do think he trending upward. Yet again, if Haap got 3/36 then Kennedy can easily get 3/45-48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Kennedy had the second best K per 9 in the league last year. I do think he trending upward. Yet again, if Haap got 3/36 then Kennedy can easily get 3/45-48 yeah that happ contract is gross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 fish will sign fister and that's it. Hill and the other dingbats will talk about how good their young rotation is. Jose, Fister, Koehler, Conley, Nicolino. Barf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish14 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'd rather go with our young guys and figure out if they stink with a cheap backup plans than sign Kennedy for 15 mill a year. Would we be better with Kennedy? Probably. But we need to be efficient with our money and spending 15 mill on a pitcher we know to be ok-above average and nothing more is not an efficient use of our money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Sadly contracts are only going to get worse, that is the cost of doing business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'd rather go with our young guys and figure out if they stink with a cheap backup plans than sign Kennedy for 15 mill a year. Would we be better with Kennedy? Probably. But we need to be efficient with our money and spending 15 mill on a pitcher we know to be ok-above average and nothing more is not an efficient use of our money. Our young guys are really really bad though and they're not going to get better (except maybe conloey). Koehler is absolutley terrible. He will not survive as a starter in 2016. Kennedy is not franchise changing obviously, but he is is super solid piece to have. If they actually did get a bauer/matz/shelby miller type for ozuna then that would be a really acceptable 1-2-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I didn't wanna start it because I wasn't sure if it was necessary since we're still talking about Jose but should we start a Marlins Winter Meetings Rumors/News Thread? Figured this one was already 33 pages long and eventually there will be non-Jose related news from the Meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish14 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Our young guys are really really bad though and they're not going to get better (except maybe conloey). Koehler is absolutley terrible. He will not survive as a starter in 2016. Kennedy is not franchise changing obviously, but he is is super solid piece to have. If they actually did get a bauer/matz/shelby miller type for ozuna then that would be a really acceptable 1-2-3. Conley has the potential to be good as does nicolino despite the lack of strikeouts. Ian Kennedy at 15 million Ina horrible use of our limited assets. He is an average pitcher who appears to be volatile in his consistency. Not worth 15 million for the lowest payroll in baseball at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Yes please, shame on @Admin for not doing one already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 “The cost is so overwhelming that I don’t think he is really available,” one executive said. Essentially only a team going for it all would trade for Fernandez. However, the Marlins are currently committed to trying to win in 2016, so to give up their No. 1 starter, they would need multiple players back who can help next season. Thus, an acquiring team would have to rob from its 2016 club to obtain Fernandez, which makes it – in the words of one executive – “a tough bridge to cross.” Another executive capitalized “HUGE” in a text message to say he could only see a deal going down in a “HUGE scenario.” Translation: An acquiring team would have to be willing to give up high-end, controllable players who are viable in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vince0926 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Where's miamibaseball? I want his opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Conley has the potential to be good as does nicolino despite the lack of strikeouts. Ian Kennedy at 15 million Ina horrible use of our limited assets. He is an average pitcher who appears to be volatile in his consistency. Not worth 15 million for the lowest payroll in baseball at all. There's nothing in Nicolino's previous or current make-up that suggests he will ever be a viable MLB starter. His pitches stink. I agree on conley big time. He's a change up away from be very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Where's miamibaseball? I want his opinion. marlin try get morse lato at winter meet. maybe trade evaldi not sure yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'm with Erick on this one. The team as currently constructed isn't competing next year, there's absolutely no chance of us resigning Jose within the next three years, and there are holes on the team that need to be fixed. Obviously a good team finds a way to keep a player like Jose Fernandez on the team forever, but if the team would be able to get 2 of Seager/Urias/Pederson along with some good younger players in their system, I feel like the Marlins would do it. We can keep Jose until 2018 and then let him leave, but if the team doesn't want to spend money, then it's just three years of Jose wasting his time with losing teams before leaving for a big free agent contract. Our farm system is also so bad that we can't trade for any players that could help on the major league level. The Marlins have constructed their team so poorly that they have to make the decision to either start spending large amounts of money or trade away some of their top players to replenish the major league and farm teams. From the looks of it, it seems the Marlins decided that they may go the trading players route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish14 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 There's nothing in Nicolino's previous or current make-up that suggests he will ever be a viable MLB starter. His pitches stink. I agree on conley big time. He's a change up away from be very good Theres nothing in his makeup except for his success at every level he's been in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Theres nothing in his makeup except for his success at every level he's been in. well hopefully I eat my hat on him, but as of right now the dude doesn't have a single above average pitch (well maybe his change) and 4 below average ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'm with Erick on this one. The team as currently constructed isn't competing next year, there's absolutely no chance of us resigning Jose within the next three years, and there are holes on the team that need to be fixed. Obviously a good team finds a way to keep a player like Jose Fernandez on the team forever, but if the team would be able to get 2 of Seager/Urias/Pederson along with some good younger players in their system, I feel like the Marlins would do it. We can keep Jose until 2018 and then let him leave, but if the team doesn't want to spend money, then it's just three years of Jose wasting his time with losing teams before leaving for a big free agent contract. Our farm system is also so bad that we can't trade for any players that could help on the major league level. The Marlins have constructed their team so poorly that they have to make the decision to either start spending large amounts of money or trade away some of their top players to replenish the major league and farm teams. From the looks of it, it seems the Marlins decided that they may go the trading players route. None of this would be a problem if Loria would just increase payroll just a reasonable amount. Its like after 2012 he decided not spending a single penny more was the way to go. No one is asking him to spend like the Dodgers and Yankees but come on, you sign your star to a backloaded contract and you have your own ballpark in which you promised that both would lead to higher payrolls but still nothing? Shit man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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