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We removed the player with the 20th worst wRC+ in baseball from the two hole for the 7th worst

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Guest Vince0926

based on my COL theory, there are few marlins I would think have sucked regardless where they went and anybody else can have with no regrets. morse comes to mind, hermida, etc.

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Guest Vince0926
Just now, squall said:

Seems and is are two different things. Do you have a list of players in that crazy memory of yours that were better after they left the fish?

I'm at bit sickly today so I'm not thinking straight, but I feel there are more players in recent memory that shine more than they were here in the COL era (2012). I feel hanley, salty, latos, hand, etc. now there have been some players that have gotten here that have sucked ever since like bell, brantly. so after more thinking instead of 85% of all marlins do well post-fish, I think it could be about 70%.

 

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Guest Vince0926

oh man eovaldi, Andrew miller, hatcher. I remember everyone hated hatcher here.

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Guest Vince0926
9 minutes ago, squall said:

hanley - was PHENOMINAL for the marlins for 5 years. His 2011 and 2012 (partial) seasons with the marlins were mediocre. Since leaving, he was very good (but not better than he was with the fish) for 1 season and then good the following. 2015 he was bad and 2016 looks just as bad. Conclusion, C0L denied.

salty - The marlins signed him after his one and only good season. Maybe this is what you're confusing. The marlins in recent memory (2012ish) have signed players coming off career years and when they come back down to earth, suddenly its C0L. I guess you can say the FO is really bad so C0L, but that isn't culture. Thats poor management that can be fixed with a personnel change. Anyways, before the marlins he had one good season in 2011. His 2015 year with the fish wasn't even that bad. It just wasn't good. Conclusion, C0L denied.

latos - He had 4 good seasons and then got hurt. Shit happens. He was a risk and hope for bounceback. He didn't do so here or elsewhere. He's started this season off lucky. Check his peripherals, but benefit of the doubt given, C0L plausible if he sustains success over 2 seasons.

hand - Seriously? He's a relief pitcher now and is walking everyone. Conclusion, C0L denied. 

eovaldi - 2014 with the marlins vs 2015 with the yankees. Eovaldi was basically the same pitcher, but ended up with more wins. Why? Run support. The yanks doubled his run support. Literally doubled it. All of Eovaldi's stats are basically the same. Conclusion, C0L denied.

Andrew miller - Sucks as a starter here and elsewhere. Redsox tried him out of the pen and he still wasn't that good after 2 seasons. It took him until 2014, 4 years after the marlins, for him to be valuable. Conclusion, C0L denied.

hatcher - LOL. What? He had his "career" year in 2014 with the fish, and honestly sucks just as bad with the dodgers. Conclusion, C0L denied.

thanks for your input but I read your description of hanley and threw up. no really, I literally just threw up. sick.

culture is the whole landscape if you will. ownership, failed minor leaguers, failed team, "the marlins way", "of course it happens to us", if you will. predictableness, if you will.

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Yeah Hatcher really sucks with the Dodgers now, and how long did it take him to have his career year in 2014? Like 3 years?  lol.

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You should reopen the Eovaldi COL case @squall He's basically throwing 50/50 splits/fastballs now and having pretty terrific results in basically every stat area except ERA (which will certainly come down if he maintains the way he's pitching). 

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Guest Vince0926
31 minutes ago, squall said:

You might not like Hanley personally, but he was phenomenal for us for 5 seasons. 

You claim predictability because C0L but you haven't predicted shit. 

You don't get it. I literally am sick right now.

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Guest Vince0926

The eovaldi outing last year against us was shocking. Thought he would shut us down on 6/15

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13 minutes ago, squall said:

In 24 innings.

His last 80 innings really when you include his quite dominant 56.1 IP after the all star game

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Guest Vince0926

Our last 2 wins have been very "un Marlin like" so I will take it 

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