Bret Hart Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article138834953.html “Fernandez operated [the boat] with his normal faculties impaired, in a reckless manner, at an extreme high rate of speed, in the darkness of the night, in an area with known navigational hazards such as rock jetties and channel markers,” the report concluded. Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article138834953.html#storylink=cpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flsportsfan83 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Terrible, Such a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Well easy lawsuit win now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The drive up bars (that's fucking stupid anyway ) should bear some liability also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The drive up bars (that's fucking stupid anyway ) should bear some liability also. I have to believe those places have some legal contingency for this stuff. If not they'd be getting sued every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I have to believe those places have some legal contingency for this stuff. If not they'd be getting sued every week. Same liability if a regular bar over serves a drunk person I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Interesting that the attorney wasn't lying about the supposed phone call with the witness though. But yeah, this is sad. Not too surprised really but oh well. RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret Hart Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 [No message] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 He really shouldn't do something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 This shits going to get ugly quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I'm on the fence about whether his number should be retired and not entirely because of these latest findings (which are no surprise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Legitimately curious about people's opinions on this: Is it time to stop thinking so highly of Jose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Legitimately curious about people's opinions on this: Is it time to stop thinking so highly of Jose? nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Legitimately curious about people's opinions on this: Is it time to stop thinking so highly of Jose? Nope. He made a horrible mistake but he wasn't trying to kill or even hurt anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Okay, let's say Jose had survived, but the other two men had died. Then we would have to see Jose as "at fault" right? Is it somewhat excused as just a mistake because his life was also lost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Legitimately curious about people's opinions on this: Is it time to stop thinking so highly of Jose? Yes. I've said it all along. The hero worship for him is weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Okay, let's say Jose had survived, but the other two men had died. Then we would have to see Jose as "at fault" right? Is it somewhat excused as just a mistake because his life was also lost? If Jose had survived, there's a small chance that he would have seen jail time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 If Jose had survived, there's a small chance that he would have seen jail time. I think it's more than a small chance. Negligent manslaughter comes with a minimum 12 month prison stay, if I am reading things correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I think it's more than a small chance. Negligent manslaughter comes with a minimum 12 month prison stay, if I am reading things correctly. I don't know what the minimum sentencing requirements are in Florida, but I'm sure he would have gotten celebrity treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I don't know what the minimum sentencing requirements are in Florida, but I'm sure he would have gotten celebrity treatment. Hence negligent manslaughter and not third degree murder given his "mental state" shown on the text message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I doubt anyone gets 3rd degree murder for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Estate is gonna be charged with manslaughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Legitimately curious about people's opinions on this: Is it time to stop thinking so highly of Jose? It's still really tough. Young kid with no fear and all that. It's terribly irresponsible. I've had terribly irresponsible moments in my life and that was as a shy kid with no money. I can't imagine the kind of trouble you could get into as a cocky millionaire in your 20s. (apparently this kind) I wish he'd been around long enough to see his daughter born, that kind of thing can get you to grow up awfully quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 It's still really tough. Young kid with no fear and all that. It's terribly irresponsible. I've had terribly irresponsible moments in my life and that was as a shy kid with no money. I can't imagine the kind of trouble you could get into as a cocky millionaire in your 20s. (apparently this kind) I wish he'd been around long enough to see his daughter born, that kind of thing can get you to grow up awfully quick. well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 We all make mistakes, sometimes horrible mistakes. This was a mistake, and it just is harder to accept because two other men died. I doubt he meant to take anyone with him or to kill himself. But, the fact is if he was driving (and it appears he was), he was responsible for the death of two others. He was responsible for leaving his daughter without a father. That's a horrible mistake. He paid with his life, the ultimate price. I think all the honors should remain and he should be remembered for the positive moments too and not just how it all ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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