Erick Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 You're not embarrassing him in the slightest A single person can't embarrass him. Let's get a large group of people on the best Marlins forum to boycott his team and boo the shit out of him at this year's All-Star Game. He's only here at this point for the All-Star Game anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Let's get a large group of people on the best Marlins forum to boycott his team and boo the shit out of him at this year's All-Star Game Ok get me tickets to the game and I'll join in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 Also, who cares if the team tries hard? All teams try. This team sucks. It's a results-oriented business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 Ok get me tickets to the game and I'll join in. I'm sure plenty of people on here are going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Also, who cares if the team tries hard? I brought this up because a few people (not you) said the team doesn't try or care. Some people equate losses with no effort and I always hated that argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Loria will be gone soon (hopefully) but he's done of a lot of idiotic things that will hamper the franchise for years to come. Most notably the amount of shitty contracts he put on the books and the depleted farm system (a result of bad trades). The franchise is at rock bottom. Could not be any lower. I'm not going to boycott this team, but I think that people should be loud and vocal about how shitty the situation is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I think that people should be loud and vocal about how shitty the situation is. So do I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I think the best point that can be made in this thread besides@Admin post was the issue with the contracts. Getting rid of Chen and Stanton contracts would be an issue. I love this team and will root for them no matter what. Obviously the front office needs to go. But getting rid of those contracts and getting something good back will be the real challenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Getting rid of Chen and Stanton contracts would be an issue. Immovable contracts really yeah. It would take the inclusion of young cheap controllable talent like a Realmuto to even begin a discussion probably. And that is just the type of guy they wouldn't want to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1998-2002 wasn't that bad aside from how depressing the firesale was. At least during those years the Marlins had a solid core of players, a lot of promising young talent in the minor leagues, and a competent GM. 2012-2017 have definitely been the darkest years of the franchise history by far. I disagree only because the ballpark means baseball in South Florida. From 98 to 02 not only were the teams shit, but the stadium was shit and the long-term security of baseball in Miami was in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I disagree only because the ballpark means baseball in South Florida. From 98 to 02 not only were the teams shit, but the stadium was shit and the long-term security of baseball in Miami was in the air. Yeah. I don't bring this up because it'll just be one more reason for people to call me a Loria apologist but his regime is responsible for that ballpark and for the team still being in Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I'm certain I've posted a few "I'm done with this team till Loria sells" over the years. this isn't new. waaaahhhh also, lemmie get a ticket to the AS Game Erick. i swear i'll boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Yeah. I don't bring this up because it'll just be one more reason for people to call me a Loria apologist but his regime is responsible for that ballpark and for the team still being in Miami. Well that's definitely the highlight of the short list of positive things related to his Marlins legacy. The second being putting together 40% of a championship team in 2003. However, I don't think that during 1998-2002 the chances of the Marlins leaving South Florida were that severe. There were some grumblings about the Twins and Marlins being contracted but nothing seemed to be that imminent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 The second being putting together 40% of a championship team in 2003. Glad you mentioned that. I see often that he's given no credit for 2003 which is wrong. Yes, Dombrowski built most of the team, but Loria is the one that upped the budget to go get Pudge before the season. And it was Beinfest that acquired Urbina. I probably forgot other things. Jack was the right fit for the team but I know some people don't like counting managers. No WS title without Loria and his staff's moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 To be clear, I think Loria is an awful owner. I think Beinfest and Hill are both awful GMs (Hill moreso). I can't wait for a new owner and new FO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Whaaat I liked beinfest. The future looked so bright in his first few years.... I guess that last parts a deal breaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Whaaat I liked beinfest. The future looked so bright in his first few years.... I guess that last parts a deal breaker He was ok. Mediocre at best, but still a million times better than Hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 Why is boycotting wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Why is boycotting wrong? Because you know you're still following the team fucko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 To be clear, I think Loria is an awful owner. I think Beinfest and Hill are both awful GMs (Hill moreso). I can't wait for a new owner and new FO What about Jennings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 What about Jennings? No comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 He was ok. Mediocre at best, but still a million times better than Hill. I would say it was apparent that Beinfest had his hands tied. Most GMs aren't forced to operate on a $20 million payroll. He made a few stupid trades, but I assume during those darkest years of salary, most GMs could easily take advantage of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordMagnus Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Getting nothing back for Cabrera that worked out is what doomed Beinfest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Getting nothing back for Cabrera that worked out is what doomed Beinfest. OMG yes burn it down I forgot about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricOwens! Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Trading Colin Rea to the Padres ruined this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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