pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2.4 WAR 1.5 WAR .8 WAR that was bitten because he shouldn't be OFer For a team that really sucks, this is a really bad move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2.4 WAR 1.5 WAR .8 WAR that was bitten because he shouldn't be OFer For a team that really sucks, this is a really bad move I think they could have gotten a bullpen arm, but its abundantly clear you can get those 1b/corner OF types for very cheap and this years free agency might make last years look like a players market. Teams seem to be getting smarter and smarter about the surplus value of a guy like dietrich relative to another replacement level guy you can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 That’s debatable. He had starters PA for three years because of things like Gordon PEDs Prado injuries and last year selloffs. He’s not starting for a playoff team Well he doesn't have to be a starter on a playoff team. I mean for gods sake, Bour got traded and Dietrich is a far more useful player especially off the bench. They've both had similiar career highs in WAR and dietrich is younger and more versatile. So yeah, I still think he was a solid trade piece worth at least a project minor leaguer. They just let him go for nothing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I think they could have gotten a bullpen arm, but its abundantly clear you can get those 1b/corner OF types for very cheap and this years free agency might make last years look like a players market. Teams seem to be getting smarter and smarter about the surplus value of a guy like dietrich relative to another replacement level guy you can find. DD plays average to above average 3b/2b. He's terrible in the OF which is why he's not mid 1s WAR this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Well he doesn't have to be a starter on a playoff team. I mean for gods sake, Bour got traded and Dietrich is a far more useful player especially off the bench. They've both had similiar career highs in WAR and dietrich is younger and more versatile. So yeah, I still think he was a solid trade piece worth at least a project minor leaguer. They just let him go for nothing... he's absolutely a Left hand utility guy on any WS bench (Bour no versatility) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2.4 WAR 1.5 WAR .8 WAR that was bitten because he shouldn't be OFer For a team that really sucks, this is a really bad move my point exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 i mean prado has been far worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 oic DD was due $4.8m. this is a rays move without rays foresight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema2R Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 Oh boy, wait till JT is traded... some fans are gonna lose it! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 DD plays average to above average 3b/2b. He's terrible in the OF which is why he's not mid 1s WAR this year Youre severely overrating his ability at 2b/3b. He might be average there, but he is in no way above average and he has not graded out positively at any position in his career according to fangraphs. He is the perfect DH/platoon guy for an AL team like oakland, but for a team like us given his arbitration status he might just be the type of player who had no value across the league when you look at what you will be able to get 1b/corner OF guys for again this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Anderson is deception SP he sucks fwiw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 oic DD was due $4.8m. this is a rays move without rays foresight The rays have won over 90 games 6 times since 2008, perhaps we should be making more rays moves as a small market team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema2R Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 i mean prado has been far worse That 15 mil next year is not helping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 i mean prado has been far worse and the only reason prado is still around is because his contract is enormous and unmovable and he's a good veteran to have around young guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Youre severely overrating his ability at 2b/3b. He might be average there, but he is in no way above average and he has not graded out positively at any position in his career according to fangraphs. He is the perfect DH/platoon guy for an AL team like oakland, but for a team like us given his arbitration status he might just be the type of player who had no value across the league when you look at what you will be able to get 1b/corner OF guys for again this offseason. m8 check his def WAR on Fangraphs when he was an IFer - the same Fangraphs that a lot of mlb front offices uses. He WAS above average at IF in 2016 and slightly below avg in 2017 in IF. He was horrible in the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 The rays have won over 90 games 6 times since 2008, perhaps we should be making more rays moves as a small market team. difference is they turn pitching prospects into gold left and right where all of ours get hurt/TJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I sure hope Dietrich wasn't looking forward to wearing the new stuff. He could still buy it and wear it right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Anyway it doesn't really matter. It's clearly a salary move only. I liked DD a lot as a marlin and hope he does great wherever he lands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiguelDontrelle Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Guys if anyone wanted Dietrich he would've been traded last year. He was a clear non-tender heading into '19 and they probably would've taken anything (like they did with Bour). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Guys if anyone wanted Dietrich he would've been traded last year. He was a clear non-tender heading into '19 and they probably would've taken anything (like they did with Bour). this is probably, but he was better 1st half and can play 2b/3b. I don't give them benefit of the doubt tho because they clearly could have moved claw for something of value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 m8 check his def WAR on Fangraphs when he was an IFer - the same Fangraphs that a lot of mlb front offices uses. He WAS above average at IF in 2016 and slightly below avg in 2017 in IF. He was horrible in the OF. exactly, thats about average and again, he is a career .750 OPS guy in a league that is clearly finding it easier and easier to find for much cheaper than 5 million. I mean CJ Cron hit 30 hr's last year and OPS'ed over .800 and got DFA'd. These types of players just arent as valued as they used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 exactly, thats about average and again, he is a career .750 OPS guy in a league that is clearly finding it easier and easier to find for much cheaper than 5 million. I mean CJ Cron hit 30 hr's last year and OPS'ed over .800 and got DFA'd. These types of players just arent as valued as they used to be. 1 WAR in today's game = $9m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 exactly, thats about average and again, he is a career .750 OPS guy in a league that is clearly finding it easier and easier to find for much cheaper than 5 million. I mean CJ Cron hit 30 hr's last year and OPS'ed over .800 and got DFA'd. These types of players just arent as valued as they used to be. IE Rays move it was a bad one. Dickerson was 3.0 WAR last year, 1 WAR more than his replacement (Cron) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 DD can competently play 2b/3b there's nothing in his career that says otherwise. He's not cron/bour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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