Piazza31 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Murray Chass is an ass. That is all. Oh, and fuck Roger Clemens, Goddell, Rabbit.... fuck em all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 They're points , not necessarily all good ones, Martinez and Mussina despite what was posted still don't merit what I consider Hall of Fame consideration, they're both very good players just not good enough to be considered among the games very best. To me the Hall is about those players I would pay to watch and want to see, neither of these did this despite lengthy careers in which they failed to hit several of those magic numbers the majority of enshrined players have, I would point out I rarely agree a lot with the voters especially on certain selections over the years or fellow members here on what a Hall of Fame career is, that said your points fail in my estimation to qualify either as Hall worthy. As for Rivera, he truly was great pitcher, but I don't see his value being unanimously better in its value over previous selections for the Hall, especially as these are the same voters that seem to disregard the value of the reliever in as much that the closest in comparison to him Hoffman had to wait three years to be selected and Smith finally goes in, but only by the veterans. I get that someone would eventually be unanimous, but I find it hard to believe the voters chose him, personally would've preferred a position player, but that's my preference. All due respect, it seems your requirements for the Hall are perhaps a bit too high. If what I gave didn't convince you, then that's fine. Like I said, Martinez put up a career slash line that only six players ever topped, and all six are in the Hall of Fame. Mussina I can give you a pass on, but I'd say he deserved it given the era, division, and ballparks in which he pitched most often. A lot of things [milestones, championships] are out of his control - he can only do so much. Rivera being unanimous - he was the best ever to play his position (in the role he was given), and again I've said he should not have been the FIRST to be unanimous, but definitely deserved unanimity. I'm glad that's finally over and done with and now we'll get more guys in unanimously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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