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We seems have the good rotation and the good bullpen now, so how to have a good lineup ASAP to match with the good pitching ? we have no pitching in the past seasons so traded all the good hitters for the good pitchers, now we have the good pitching but without the good hitting, maybe need to sign or trade for some good veteran hitters if this team wants to compete in the near future. 

 

 

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We seems have the good rotation and the good bullpen now, so how to have a good lineup ASAP to match with the good pitching ? we have no pitching in the past seasons so traded all the good hitters for the good pitchers, now we have the good pitching but without the good hitting, maybe need to sign or trade for some good veteran hitters if this team wants to compete in the near future. 

 

Building through pitching is refreshing. It’s much easier to acquire bats than pitchers outside of your org (unless you’re making trades with the marlins). We also have the #4 pick in this years draft, and at worst a top 3 pick in the 2020 draft. This could produce 2 college bats that should climb the ranks relatively quickly. 

 

We aren’t going to get much back for our vets (Grandy, Walker, Starlin, etc). However, if KKKKaleb keeps this up, there might be some great offers for him come July. If there’s a future impact bat or 3 included in that proposal, I would have a hard time saying no. 

 

 

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Building through pitching is refreshing. It’s much easier to acquire bats than pitchers outside of your org (unless you’re making trades with the marlins). We also have the #4 pick in this years draft, and at worst a top 3 pick in the 2020 draft. This could produce 2 college bats that should climb the ranks relatively quickly. 

 

We aren’t going to get much back for our vets (Grandy, Walker, Starlin, etc). However, if KKKKaleb keeps this up, there might be some great offers for him come July. If there’s a future impact bat or 3 included in that proposal, I would have a hard time saying no. 

 

It would be difficult to decide who would be traded for the bats.

 

 

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I'd hold off on saying they have a good rotation and bullpen now - it's not atrocious like last year but it's far from "good".  They have a few nice pieces but it's not like the pitching is lights out night after night.  The bulk of the pitching staff is still pretty average/bad.  There are some guys doing well in the minors but they're still unproven too.

 

 

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I'd hold off on saying they have a good rotation and bullpen now - it's not atrocious like last year but it's far from "good".  They have a few nice pieces but it's not like the pitching is lights out night after night.  The bulk of the pitching staff is still pretty average/bad.  There are some guys doing well in the minors but they're still unproven too.

 

Yeah this is fair. I think it’s more about we finally have good organizational depth from a SP standpoint, rather than good quality arms at the big league level. It’s unrealistic to expect a team at this stage of the rebuild to have an above avg MLB rotation, but we are on the right track. 

 

 

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Rotation is looking somewhat decent - K-leb and Pablo looking really good, Richards has some improvements to make but his change-up is top tier so if he can get his fastball and slider command down he'll be really good, Sandy and Urena pitch an average of "OK."

 

Could be better, but hey, in due time, maybe.

 

 

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If we trade for Ozuna, Yelich, Stanton and Trout... and somehow convince the Dodgers to give us Turner, Seager.... we could have a great lineup tomorrow.

 

But we'd have to give up all our prospects and pitching!

 

 

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Caleb is pretty much untouchable right now or at least it would take a king's ransom. That isn't saying much with how the past trades have turned out but it would be high. I agree they need to trade some arms. Urena and Richards come to mind right now.

 

 

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Caleb is pretty much untouchable right now or at least it would take a king's ransom. That isn't saying much with how the past trades have turned out but it would be high. I agree they need to trade some arms. Urena and Richards come to mind right now.

 

Personally would like to keep Richards another year at a minimum and see if he can develop his secondary stuff (I'm considering his change-up to be his primary pitch). Like I said his change-up is really good.

 

 

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Caleb is pretty much untouchable right now or at least it would take a king's ransom. That isn't saying much with how the past trades have turned out but it would be high. I agree they need to trade some arms. Urena and Richards come to mind right now.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing Urena string a few good starts together, then get shipped off for prospects.

 

Richards, on the other hand - I feel like the sky is the limit with his potential.  If he can nail down his other pitches, he's a top-end rotation guy for years.  If he doesn't, we'll never get enough value to be worth trading him.  I fear we'd let him go for nothing, and he'll "put it together" somewhere else.

 

I'm much more confident in the developmental capabilities of this staff than the previous one though - unfortunately it's a process that can take a couple of years.

 

 

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I'm made this thread to emphasize the importance of the balance of pitching and hitting, everybody knows this team seems always lacking one of them, for example, when we have a rotation of Johnson, Buehrle, Sanchez and Nolasco we have no a good lineup, and when we have a lineup of G,Yeli and Big Bear we have no a good rotation, I just don't want this situation to happen again so that's why I hope this team to sign or trade for some really hitters to boost the offense, I know we can easily to draft or sign some international talent but it would waste many years of good pitching of this team. 

 

 

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Only Urena is tradeable right now. I can't believe anyone thinks it's ok to trade any of the other starters right now. We finally have SP depth you keep all of it to see which ones become part of the future here. No way you give up on any of them now.

 

Why is this even a question considering our past? 

 

Castillo and Paddack show that you don't sacrifice prospects for quick fixes... Brad Hand and Andrew Miller show that you don't give up struggling major leaguers...

 

The bats will come in other ways. With all the pitching being accumulated they can focus on bats in the next few drafts, there's still international free agents, you can sign in free agency when the time is right, some of the minor leaguer bats will pan out eventually, and lastly if more of the pitchers pan out than expected than you can ultimately trade from that depth but not yet.

 

No way Jose. 

 

 

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I'm made this thread to emphasize the importance of the balance of pitching and hitting, everybody knows this team seems always lacking one of them, for example, when we have a rotation of Johnson, Buehrle, Sanchez and Nolasco we have no a good lineup, and when we have a lineup of G,Yeli and Big Bear we have no a good rotation, I just don't want this situation to happen again so that's why I hope this team to sign or trade for some really hitters to boost the offense, I know we can easily to draft or sign some international talent but it would waste many years of good pitching of this team. 

 

The thing is that the pitching is still not ready. We have a lot of depth that will pay off in the long run as long as the FO stays patient, but we are still middle of the pack right now in the big leagues. It will still take a year or two for the pitching to develop so the next few years will not really be wasting good pitching. If they can build as much depth as they did in the pitching without high draft slots in a year and a half, then I'm sure that they can do the same with position players now that that is the focus.

 

 

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Oh, I never posted this idea. It's Brilliant!!!! If the team did this I would be happy. They won't but IF they did!

 

So, here is the idea. 

 

Marlins get Kevin Cron and Domingo Leyba

 

Daimondbacks get Jose Urena

 

Diamondbacks immediately get better, Marlins get new bats.

 

 

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Oh, I never posted this idea. It's Brilliant!!!! If the team did this I would be happy. They won't but IF they did!

 

So, here is the idea. 

 

Marlins get Kevin Cron and Domingo Leyba

 

Daimondbacks get Jose Urena

 

Diamondbacks immediately get better, Marlins get new bats.

 

The thing is, if the Diamondbacks get Jose Urena, the rest of the NL West is actually who gets better. 

 

 

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yeah, i don't see anyone offering up anything for Urena right now.  MAYBE...if he goes on one his seasonal hot streaks (which he usually does each year for about a month) close to the deadline then someone really desperate might offer something. 

 

I'm not sold on Richards being a starter yet because he just has that one pitch, albeit an amazing one.  He'd likely be lights out in the bullpen though so he's a piece to hang on to barring some insane offer.  Caleb should be nigh untouchable.  Other than that?  meh... there are some ok arms but nothing that inspires me to say they're untradeable at this point. 

 

I realize there are some dudes putting some decent numbers up in the minors but I usually hold off on lauding praise until they actually face big league hitting.

 

 

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yeah, i don't see anyone offering up anything for Urena right now.  MAYBE...if he goes on one his seasonal hot streaks (which he usually does each year for about a month) close to the deadline then someone really desperate might offer something. 

 

I'm not sold on Richards being a starter yet because he just has that one pitch, albeit an amazing one.  He'd likely be lights out in the bullpen though so he's a piece to hang on to barring some insane offer.  Caleb should be nigh untouchable.  Other than that?  meh... there are some ok arms but nothing that inspires me to say they're untradeable at this point. 

 

I realize there are some dudes putting some decent numbers up in the minors but I usually hold off on lauding praise until they actually face big league hitting.

 

You guys are missing the beauty of this trade. The Daimondbacks need more pitchers. Urena, as much as we dislike him, has major league pitches. It's basically trading problems.

 

As much as we hate urena he is better than there fifth starter right now, and arguably better than there number 4. In exchange they give up 2 low upside, high performing bats. Both infielders. One of which is young. 

 

Both teams immidiatley get better. The Marlins open up a rotation spot that we can play with using minor league talent. And add triple A bats that can be brought up.

 

As I previously stated Urena, not good, but is better than some of the pitchers they are sending out. And they are giving up essentially nothing for him. Neither player is really considered a prospect. Leyba is 24 on daimondbacks top 30 mlb, and Cron does not appear. It's low risk for everyone involved.

 

 

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Oh, I never posted this idea. It's Brilliant!!!! If the team did this I would be happy. They won't but IF they did!

 

So, here is the idea. 

 

Marlins get Kevin Cron and Domingo Leyba

 

Daimondbacks get Jose Urena

 

Diamondbacks immediately get better, Marlins get new bats.

 

I would do that in a heartbeat. 

 

 

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You guys are missing the beauty of this trade. The Daimondbacks need more pitchers. Urena, as much as we dislike him, has major league pitches. It's basically trading problems.

 

As much as we hate urena he is better than there fifth starter right now, and arguably better than there number 4. In exchange they give up 2 low upside, high performing bats. Both infielders. One of which is young. 

 

Both teams immidiatley get better. The Marlins open up a rotation spot that we can play with using minor league talent. And add triple A bats that can be brought up.

 

As I previously stated Urena, not good, but is better than some of the pitchers they are sending out. And they are giving up essentially nothing for him. Neither player is really considered a prospect. Leyba is 24 on daimondbacks top 30 mlb, and Cron does not appear. It's low risk for everyone involved.

 

I'm not missing the "beauty" of the trade. I'm just saying I don't really see them giving up anything for Urena.  The Dbacks have the money to go out and sign Keuchel if they wanted to be more competitive (sometimes people forget he's available still) and he's far better than Urena.

 

 

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I'm not missing the "beauty" of the trade. I'm just saying I don't really see them giving up anything for Urena.  The Dbacks have the money to go out and sign Keuchel if they wanted to be more competitive (sometimes people forget he's available still) and he's far better than Urena.

 

oh yeah...that is an option isn't it? but then the marlins wouldn't get Leyba, and Cron.... I think they would still prefer to give them up and then pay for Keuchel

 

 

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