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Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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On 12/22/2017 at 11:36 AM, LordMagnus said:

Loved it.  Masterful trolling all around.  It's like they made this movie to make the "hardcore" fans whine even more.

It's funny that you mention whining when the movie is about the original trilogy's hero becoming a whiney quitter which is completely uncharacteristic of that character. Between Poe's tantrum and Kylo Ren's destructive tantrum (his second of the trilogy), this movie was all about developing emotionally unstable and insecure characters.

It was just bad story telling: Subplots that didn't further the overall plot, instances deus ex machina, poor character development... Not to mention the plot of the movie was about running out of fuel while being pursued through hyperspace as if the original trilogy didn't set the precedent that this was already possible using one means or another. The biggest subplot's inciting incident was illegal parking. The movie did nothing to further the overall plot of this trilogy. By the end of act 2, we should know what to look forward to in act 3. This movie gave us nothing other than "Rey will have to go after Kylo Ren again." That part is a no-brainer.

There were numerous scenes that I liked and some of the effects were great, but the direction this trilogy is going is actually damaging to the story telling of the original trilogy. This is evident just by looking at the titles alone.

IV: A New Hope
V: The Empire Strikes Back
VI: Return of the Jedi
VII: The Force Awakens
VIII: The Last Jedi (We were kidding about ROTJ)
IX: REAL Return of the Jedi?

Yes, I am a HUGE Star Wars fan. Yes, I am disappointed—not just as a fan but as someone that gets writing.

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What are you talking about?  Luke was very whiny in the original movies along with some of the other characters.  Its actually very in character.  We just tend to think of those movies fondly and forget all that because nostalgia.  I rewatched those movies several times lately and was shocked at how much bad I overlooked before.  As far as Luke goes, they just didn't take the direction with the character you wanted them to, which is fine, but I didn't mind.  My opinion is that bad story telling is doing the same thing over again.  Don't worry, with JJ doing Eposide 9, I'm sure you'll get another "safe" movie that doesn't take risks.

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To be fair, this was written for a generation that is generally emotionally unstable and insecure. It would make sense that the characters mirror that.

I was actually expecting a transgender rebel or some bullshit about the environment. 

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On ‎01‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 4:38 PM, Entendu said:

To be fair, this was written for a generation that is generally emotionally unstable and insecure. It would make sense that the characters mirror that.

I was actually expecting a transgender rebel or some bullshit about the environment. 

You telling me Benicio's role and the whole casino planet wasn't political enough for you talking about how war is a money machine and everyone is at fault? Also strong female characters everywhere; Rey with very little training is strong af with the force, Leia commanding the rebels and when she's in a comma Vice Admiral Holdo takes over and even the commander of the storm troopers Captain Phasma was that tall chick from GoT. Meanwhile all the men are having temper tantrums, crises of faith, selling out the rebels for money, being rescued or bettered by their female counterparts.

Benecio's character was complete garbage, that stutter was jar jar-esque. Also the whole "Let's go to a planet to find the one person in the entire galaxy that can help us only to get arrested and end up in a cell with another guy that just so happens to have the same skills" was so bad it hurts to think about. Also when DJ (Benecio) sells out the rebels to the First Order... how the eff did he know they were escaping? How did he know to run that scan? "Sir the information he provided us was accurate" or whatever they said. How did he even know about it? He wasn't made aware of it or in on it, it was straight up decided by Leia and Holdo and yet he single handedly figures it out and sells information? No one ever told Finn or Rose about that plan and they sure as hell didn't tell DJ.

And don't even get me started on the side romance of Finn and Rose. Awful. Although Natalie Portman and Hayden's chemistry would make my skin crawl with how bad it was. Finn trying to sacrifice himself by kamikaze'ing the cannon after everyone had turned around (they did an aerial shot showing everyone turn around) and yet somehow Rose comes back and hits him from the side to rescue him? And then delivers that awfully cheesy one liner and faints. And then Finn freakin' drags her how far? Like a mile or two back to the cave entrance like nothing happened and no one blasted them or captured them?

Episodes 4-6 were great and the whole world and concept of Star Wars is great, which is why we keep giving it so many passes. But Rogue One is actually my favorite Star Wars movie, BY FAR, not counting those originals. Episode 7 was solid. This 8th episode was just a huge fucking let down. It was horrendous. But it's Star Wars... I mean did no one read over the story and think maybe it was fucking stupid and bad? But hey at least we have more Princess Leia to look forward to using the force out of nowhere even though she's dead in real life. When she got blasted into outerspace, would've actually been a solid death scene, instead they just piled on the shit and ridiculousness.

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Haha damn... I swear I originally meant it to be a one paragraph reply and then I just couldn't stop typing. I blame Snoke for meddling with my feelings and showing me the strength of the dark side.

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