Admin Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I’m pretty sure the Astros had 3 straight 100 loss seasons. They did. 106,107,111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan95 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 They did. 106,107,111 I would ask for proof... ...but I believe you so I won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I would ask for proof... ...but I believe you so I won't. That’s a mistake on your part because I can and will take advantage of that going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan95 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 That’s a mistake on your part because I can and will take advantage of that going forward. How could you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 At this point I just want the Marlins to stay the course of what they've started. Too often they've jumped the gun in the rebuild process spending on free agents that were in their price range e.g. Morse, Latos, Chen or disastrous trades Cashner, Haren. Let's just go ahead and suck it up another year get the pieces in place from within and then add what you're lacking. I hate losing too, but after watching several of the farm teams this summer I think they might be on the right track for a change. Latos was a trade - DeSclafani and Wallach. --- Morse was a low-end signing bounce back candidate.....I liked the signing at the time too, but he just couldn't put it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Even if they lost over 100 next year it would not be 3 straight. They lost 98 last year. I didn't say 100 games 3 seasons in a row i said 300+ games in 3 seasons......sooo..if they lose 103 this year and 100 next year that would make 300+ games in 3 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan95 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I didn't say 100 games 3 seasons in a row i said 300+ games in 3 seasons......sooo..if they lose 103 this year and 100 next year that would make 300+ games in 3 seasons. They really do need to bring in a quality bat this offseason. Again, if only to show that they're not ok with losing 100 games 3 straight seasons. With as much as they have coming off the books over the next two seasons they could even afford to significantly overpay on a couple dudes with shorter contracts just to make the team a teeny bit more watchable (not that fans know who's playing anyway). Losing 300+ games in 3 seasons will not be a good look going into 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 they should go for stanton and offer to pay 60% of his salary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 also how does stanton's no trade clause work in nyy? and does it apply to the marlins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan95 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 also how does stanton's no trade clause work in nyy? and does it apply to the marlins? How crazy would it be if he got traded back here because he didn't have the foresight to include the Marlins in the no-trade clause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 How crazy would it be if he got traded back here because he didn't have the foresight to include the Marlins in the no-trade clause? do it jeets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan95 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 do it jeets! I can see the headlines: "Jeter does Yankees another favor by taking oft-injured Stanton off their hands." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_gmac Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I'd also like to see them spend a little this off-season, don't have to go nuts or anything but something. does 20 mill for Chen counts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 does 20 mill for Chen counts? 22 million. He gets an increase next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 22 million. He gets an increase next year. It's just more and more difficult to give him a roster spot after more and more talents coming from the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Just make progress. Obviously steps were taken back this year and the bullpen really flopped after the Romo trade. Where's Stanek's value to this team? Maybe we should actually try to stretch him out in Spring Training and make him a long reliever / spot starter. Not a fan or Urena coming back as a closer. Areas need to be addressed and the Outfield and bullpen would be the biggest needs as stated in the Barry Jackson article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Where's Stanek's value to this team? Three innings max to start a game. AKA, Opener. Where he's good. That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Marlins supposedly said they were open to trying it out. Would have made a lot of sense to go forward with that. Now would actually be prefect to do it. Really seems like even next year they won't go forward with trying it out. Honestly you have Stanek and Chen. Perfect candidates to be openers. My grip with Mattingly or maybe this just a organizational thing is that they seem to be very traditional as to how a bullpen is structured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Three innings max to start a game. AKA, Opener. Where he's good. That's it. Yeah, he had great numbers doing that and hasn't been good outside of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 I get the opener strategy from a team perspective but I don't see why any one reliever would be better for three innings to open a game vs one inning at the end of the game. I can see why a starter like say Urena would be better being limited to three innings instead of 6 or 7 but for a reliever to only be good as an opener makes no sense so why does Stanek suck for one inning but is apparently good for three? So saying the Marlins should be using Stanek as an opener doesnt explain why he's sucked as a late inning reliever thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 why any one reliever would be better for three innings to open a game vs one inning at the end of the game. Maybe because the pressure to start a game was much lower than to end a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THRILLHO Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 @taiwanmarlin is all about that Leverage Index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 So saying the Marlins should be using Stanek as an opener doesnt explain why he's sucked as a late inning reliever thus far. No, it doesn't, but the numbers are all there for you to look at. He's terrible late in games but great to open. As an opener, his OPSa is .568. As a reliever, .868. Perhaps it's the amount of time he's given to warm up before an Opening as opposed to when he comes in as a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 No, it doesn't, but the numbers are all there for you to look at. He's terrible late in games but great to open. As an opener, his OPSa is .568. As a reliever, .868. Perhaps it's the amount of time he's given to warm up before an Opening as opposed to when he comes in as a reliever. That warming up thing might be the answer because besides that Stanek is still throwing the same baseball off the same mound to the same catcher at the same home plate whether it's the first inning or the eighth. He should still be getting outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 That warming up thing might be the answer because besides that Stanek is still throwing the same baseball off the same mound to the same catcher at the same home plate whether it's the first inning or the eighth. He should still be getting outs. This has been an issue for other pitchers in the past when switching between starter and reliever. They warm up differently and sometimes produce different results. It’s tough to have exactly the same routine as a reliever though since you don’t know for sure when you’ll be pitching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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