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The entire rebuild could have been done without the Yelich trade. It's massively foolish.

Yep. I'll never understand why they traded 5 years of him, let alone for prospects not matching his value. They needed Hiura replacing Isan and Burnes/Woodruff replacing Yamamoto at the time for it to make sense.

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I'm not sure if Brice makes the team.

 

I'd rather have Stanek, Steckenrider (healthy), Brigham (great end of year), Yimi, and Sharp (keep him or he's gone). Then, is Brice better than Hernandez if one of those 5 gets hurt?

 

This one isn't a big deal.

You're right that it's not a big deal overall, just kind of seems like a careless mistake. For a team that is trying everything to keep Jose Ureña on the roster, there was certainly room for Austin Brice. (and yes, he's better than Hernandez and better than Jarlin too)

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You're right that it's not a big deal overall, just kind of seems like a careless mistake. For a team that is trying everything to keep Jose Ureña on the roster, there was certainly room for Austin Brice. (and yes, he's better than Hernandez and better than Jarlin too)

Very debatable. Garcia being a lefty easily vaults him over Brice. Hernandez can pitch more innings so he's likely more valuable, especially with an option left.

 

Brice will be traded just like Keller. Someone will take him. I can't characterize this as a careless mistake at all.

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Isan had a comically low BABIP in his cup of coffee. He'll probably be fine as the walk rate held. The only thing I am concerned about with him is longterm defense at 2B.

 

The overall problem is, even if Isan and Monte are 2 WAR average starters, you still have a phenomenal gap to Yelich. There is no way they "win" the trade unless someone becomes a star.

You don't have to "win" the trade. You just have to have those players be big parts in giving the Marlins something that Yelich and company could never do. Get to the playoffs. Or at the very least an actual winning season.

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You don't have to "win" the trade. You just have to have those players be big parts in giving the Marlins something that Yelich and company could never do. Get to the playoffs. Or at the very least an actual winning season.

I've said it once and I'll say it again... the Marlins may have lost the 2003 trade that got them Ugueth Urbina for Adrian Gonzalez in terms of WAR but in exchange they won the 2003 World Series so you tell me who lost that trade?

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I've said it once and I'll say it again... the Marlins may have lost the 2003 trade that got them Ugueth Urbina for Adrian Gonzalez in terms of WAR but in exchange they won the 2003 World Series so you tell me who lost that trade?

 

marlins didn’t win the World Series by moving Yelich.

 

they made a moronic trade instead of building around yelich like they should have.

 

and they got back lesser value because the only thing that really mattered was saving money instead of getting the return a Yelich should have demanded.

 

prove me wrong.

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I've said it once and I'll say it again... the Marlins may have lost the 2003 trade that got them Ugueth Urbina for Adrian Gonzalez in terms of WAR but in exchange they won the 2003 World Series so you tell me who lost that trade?

 

Different scenarios. Gonzalez wasn't signed to an obviously team friendly deal.

 

I'm in the camp of they should've kept and built around Yelich and Realmuto, and said that at the time, but it's water under the bridge now.

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Didn't realize reading comprehension was such a weakness around here.

 

I didn't say the Gonzalez and Yelich trades were the same and I didn't say the Marlins won the World Series by moving Yelich... I was proving @FishFan95 's point that there are different ways to win a trade besides just by comparing WAR... the 2003 trade mentioned above is a perfect example of that.

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the only thing that really mattered was saving money instead of getting the return a Yelich should have demanded.

The Yelich trade was not about saving money, it was about moving someone that they thought would be a clubhouse problem. Whether we agree with it or not, that's what it was.

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You don't have to "win" the trade. You just have to have those players be big parts in giving the Marlins something that Yelich and company could never do. Get to the playoffs. Or at the very least an actual winning season.

There are tons of hypotheticals - like winning the world series with Urbina - which overcomes an objective analysis, but you don't go into trades to not "win" them.

 

There is no defense to the Yelich trade. I'll be thrilled if Isan and Monte turn into 2 WAR starters, and Yamamoto chips in 500 innings for the club, but the scale is still tipping for Yelich. They should have never traded him. I don't care about the alleged personality issues - winning cures all and they should be playing to win. They could have done every move the same, sucked for 2 years, and they'd be in a better position right now with Yelich. That matters to me and deserves criticism until they do something to overcome it. That hasn't happened yet.

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The Yelich trade was not about saving money, it was about moving someone that they thought would be a clubhouse problem. Whether we agree with it or not, that's what it was.

I agree it wasn't about saving money, but a clubhouse problem is a poor excuse.

 

It's the equivalent of trading a franchise quarterback, not some disgruntled safety, if I may make that analogy. Totally different scenario of having an alpha cornerstone player and not just a really good other outfielder signed for 2 years. It's probably more egregious than not buying out Miguel Cabrera's arbitration in 2004/2005. I honestly think it's the worst move in franchise history.

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There are tons of hypotheticals - like winning the world series with Urbina - which overcomes an objective analysis, but you don't go into trades to not "win" them.

Of course you don't go into trades to "not win" them but, as a fan who in theory wants my team to win the World Series every single season, I'll take a World Series win over winning a comparison of WAR stats.

 

Try telling Marlins fans in 2003 that the Marlins made a bad trade getting Urbina for Gonzalez.

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There are tons of hypotheticals - like winning the world series with Urbina - which overcomes an objective analysis, but you don't go into trades to not "win" them.

 

There is no defense to the Yelich trade. I'll be thrilled if Isan and Monte turn into 2 WAR starters, and Yamamoto chips in 500 innings for the club, but the scale is still tipping for Yelich. They should have never traded him. I don't care about the alleged personality issues - winning cures all and they should be playing to win. They could have done every move the same, sucked for 2 years, and they'd be in a better position right now with Yelich. That matters to me and deserves criticism until they do something to overcome it. That hasn't happened yet.

I also don't think that all trades should be ruled as far as a winning team and a losing team. The Brewers have won the trade. There is no denying that. It can still be a win-win if the young guys really break out in the next few seasons.

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Of course you don't go into trades to "not win" them but, as a fan who in theory wants my team to win the World Series every single season, I'll take a World Series win over winning a comparison of WAR stats.

 

Try telling Marlins fans in 2003 that the Marlins made a bad trade getting Urbina for Gonzalez.

Or a Cubs fan that they should not have gotten 2 months of Chapman for Gleyber Torres.

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I also find it ironic that the trade that at the time was heralded as the best trade of the off-season from several credible sources is now being seen as a candidate for worst move in team history. Too much confirmation bias going on here.

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I also find it ironic that the trade that at the time was heralded as the best trade of the off-season from several credible sources is now being seen as a candidate for worst move in team history. Too much confirmation bias going on here.

Those people didn't get it.

 

It was clearly the worst of the Stanton/Ozuna/Yelich/Realmuto moves based on years of control, contract status, and return at the time of trade. The Marlins got killed. Which is really insane as he was the most valuable of all of them - maybe combined.

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I also don't think that all trades should be ruled as far as a winning team and a losing team. The Brewers have won the trade. There is no denying that. It can still be a win-win if the young guys really break out in the next few seasons.

The what if of having a 6-7 WAR Yelich for 5 seasons out weighs to me Isan and Monte becoming consistent 2 WAR starters.

 

I mean, that would be great if they developed two 2 WAR players, but you still gave up way much even if they are useful.

 

It's a truly mind boggling trade that will never make sense. But I hope Monte goes all Eddie Rosario with plus center field defense on us, and Isan becomes a poor man's Uggla. That would be great.

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It's been said there weren't really that many teams pursuing Yelich at the time though and the Brewers offer might have really been the best of the bunch. So it seems more like the Marlins didn't realize how much more they could get for Yelich and thus rushed into the best return at the moment instead of holding out for more, right?

 

Compare it to the Realmuto deal where many teams made offers but the Marlins held their ground until the Phillies upped the return at the last moment.

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It's been said there weren't really that many teams pursuing Yelich at the time though and the Brewers offer might have really been the best of the bunch. So it seems more like the Marlins didn't realize how much more they could get for Yelich and thus rushed into the best return at the moment instead of holding out for more, right?

 

Compare it to the Realmuto deal where many teams made offers but the Marlins held their ground until the Phillies upped the return at the last moment.

Who really knows, but all I know on a pure baseball level is, they made a bad trade at the time of trade and you never do that. It doesn't matter as it's done, but we can hope the Brewers guys work out.

 

But Austin Brice is WHATEVA to get back on track. They have many similar arms so it's hard to criticize this one. I reserve criticism for the Paddack level deals, calling up Fernandez to not delay his service time clock, refusing to buyout Cabrera's arbitration, etc. Those are the real stupid ones. None of us are losing sleep over Nick Wittgren, Chris Hatcher, and Grant Dayton.

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It's been said there weren't really that many teams pursuing Yelich at the time though and the Brewers offer might have really been the best of the bunch. So it seems more like the Marlins didn't realize how much more they could get for Yelich and thus rushed into the best return at the moment instead of holding out for more, right?

 

Compare it to the Realmuto deal where many teams made offers but the Marlins held their ground until the Phillies upped the return at the last moment.

 

That's what made the least sense - it seemed like they rushed to do a trade to do a trade. And while they may have taken the best deal available, that doesn't mean they had to take it. If he wasn't under control like Ozuna, you could've been ok with it, but he was signed already to a crazy team friendly deal - only a vast overpay should have been accepted.

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