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Just now, SonOfJack said:

Huh? Murray voted.  http://www.murraychass.com/?p=11829

I just saw that.  The POS said he wasnt voting anymore some 3 years ago, when he opined on how having a class of more than 2 was bad because it would make for a 'long day'.  

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Just now, Michael said:

Yeah, if they're not writing anymore, they shouldn't be getting a ballot.

Didn't they make that a thing too, though? Have to still be writing?

Yes, basically.  

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2 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

I don't mind Mo getting 100 percent. Gwynn also should've been 100%, but in the past it didn't happen. I wonder if Jeter gets 100.

Oh yeah hadn't thought about Gwynn. He should have been the first to get 100 before Mo. Wonder why he didnt.

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2 hours ago, Michael said:

@fanofthefish sorry I made good points? ❤️ 

They're points , not necessarily all good ones, Martinez and Mussina despite what was posted still don't merit what I consider Hall of Fame consideration, they're both very good players just not good enough to be considered among the games very best. To me the Hall is about those players I would pay to watch and want to see, neither of these did this despite lengthy careers in which they failed to hit several of those magic numbers the majority of enshrined players have,   I would point out I rarely agree a lot with the voters especially on certain selections over the years or fellow members here on what a Hall of Fame career is,  that said your points fail in my estimation to qualify either as Hall worthy.

As for Rivera, he truly was great pitcher, but I don't see his value being unanimously better in its value over previous selections for the Hall, especially as these are the same voters that seem to disregard the value of the reliever in as much that the closest in comparison to him Hoffman had to wait three years to be selected and  Smith finally goes in, but only by the veterans.  I get  that someone would eventually be unanimous, but I find it hard to believe the voters chose him, personally would've preferred a position player, but that's my preference. 

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2 minutes ago, fanofthefish said:

They're points , not necessarily all good ones, Martinez and Mussina despite what was posted still don't merit what I consider Hall of Fame consideration, they're both very good players just not good enough to be considered among the games very best. To me the Hall is about those players I would pay to watch and want to see, neither of these did this despite lengthy careers in which they failed to hit several of those magic numbers the majority of enshrined players have,   I would point out I rarely agree a lot with the voters especially on certain selections over the years or fellow members here on what a Hall of Fame career is,  that said your points fail in my estimation to qualify either as Hall worthy.

As for Rivera, he truly was great pitcher, but I don't see his value being unanimously better in its value over previous selections for the Hall, especially as these are the same voters that seem to disregard the value of the reliever in as much that the closest in comparison to him Hoffman had to wait three years to be selected and  Smith finally goes in, but only by the veterans.  I get  that someone would eventually be unanimous, but I find it hard to believe the voters chose him, personally would've preferred a position player, but that's my preference. 

You shouldn't have downvoted Micheal. He provided his points just as you did, fairly and respectfully. Disagreeing isn't a reason to downvote. 

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Murray Chass is an ass.


That is all.

 

Oh, and fuck Roger Clemens, Goddell, Rabbit.... fuck em all.

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On 1/26/2019 at 10:05 PM, fanofthefish said:

They're points , not necessarily all good ones, Martinez and Mussina despite what was posted still don't merit what I consider Hall of Fame consideration, they're both very good players just not good enough to be considered among the games very best. To me the Hall is about those players I would pay to watch and want to see, neither of these did this despite lengthy careers in which they failed to hit several of those magic numbers the majority of enshrined players have,   I would point out I rarely agree a lot with the voters especially on certain selections over the years or fellow members here on what a Hall of Fame career is,  that said your points fail in my estimation to qualify either as Hall worthy.

As for Rivera, he truly was great pitcher, but I don't see his value being unanimously better in its value over previous selections for the Hall, especially as these are the same voters that seem to disregard the value of the reliever in as much that the closest in comparison to him Hoffman had to wait three years to be selected and  Smith finally goes in, but only by the veterans.  I get  that someone would eventually be unanimous, but I find it hard to believe the voters chose him, personally would've preferred a position player, but that's my preference. 

All due respect, it seems your requirements for the Hall are perhaps a bit too high. If what I gave didn't convince you, then that's fine. Like I said, Martinez put up a career slash line that only six players ever topped, and all six are in the Hall of Fame. Mussina I can give you a pass on, but I'd say he deserved it given the era, division, and ballparks in which he pitched most often. A lot of things [milestones, championships] are out of his control - he can only do so much.

 

Rivera being unanimous - he was the best ever to play his position (in the role he was given), and again I've said he should not have been the FIRST to be unanimous, but definitely deserved unanimity. I'm glad that's finally over and done with and now we'll get more guys in unanimously.

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