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Marlins president implores fans to 'give us a chance'

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I am hoping this builds, but then I hear strange explanations.  Like on Saturday, explaining the Realmuto trade, like we don't know why and understand it.  So, we get the explanation that "we traded 2 years of control for 17 years".  Sure, I get the math but it does not make sense.  Can we then say that if we went out and spent 250 million for 25 free agents on a one year deal that we are buying 25 years of control.

My point is that a silly explanation is ridiculous, just be open about it.  We all know what's up with JT at this point so the team needs to just say we made the best deal we thought was available.  Done.   

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7 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

I don't think he meant give us a chance in terms of being competitive in 2019. I think he meant give us a chance as in the future of the club and the current rebuild.

Actually, he was talking at least partly about 2019. “[Hill] doesn’t think the 2019 season is a total write off.” 

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7 minutes ago, bmg42 said:

Actually, he was talking at least partly about 2019. “[Hill] doesn’t think the 2019 season is a total write off.” 

That was the writer.

Hill's quote was:

“I would tell our fans to just give us a chance," Hill said, according to Tim Reynolds of The Associated Press. "So many people have written off the Marlins and really haven’t taken an opportunity to take a deep look at what we’re building. When you have a lot to do, it’s going to take time and we understand where we’re at. But we’ve been able to add a tremendous amount of talent over the last 18 months."

I think it is pretty clear he didn't mean give us a chance to win in 2019.

If he thought they have a chance to win this year (he obviously doesn't) he'd be delusional. That being said, he isn't going to come out and say "We will suck this year" because that's bad business and rude to the players. He said this the right way.

I don't defend Hill often, but this one is obviously being read into incorrectly by you.

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2 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

That was the writer.

Hill's quote was:

“I would tell our fans to just give us a chance," Hill said, according to Tim Reynolds of The Associated Press. "So many people have written off the Marlins and really haven’t taken an opportunity to take a deep look at what we’re building. When you have a lot to do, it’s going to take time and we understand where we’re at. But we’ve been able to add a tremendous amount of talent over the last 18 months."

I think it is pretty clear he didn't mean give us a chance to win in 2019.

It's on the writer then. In any case. My question to Hill would be simple - considering that the other 4 teams in the division already have much better ML rosters AND better minor league systems, how long is it going to take? 2 years? 4 years? 7 years? Because, seriously, if there's a season within the next 3-4 that we lose fewer than 95 I'll be pretty surprised.

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31 minutes ago, bmg42 said:

Because, seriously, if there's a season within the next 3-4 that we lose fewer than 95 I'll be pretty surprised.

No disrespect, but ... really? Three to four YEARS, 95+ losses, starting this year? I know I'm very optimistic here with this, but I think this team, this year, can be as "good" as winning 75 games [so 87 losses]. I could be completely wrong, sure, and we lose 100 this year, but I don't think the team will be that bad, and 100% certain this team will not be losing 95+ four straight years. In fact I say 2020, 100%, closer to 80 losses than 90. I think that team could actually have a winning record, but of course a few chips have to fall into place.

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6 hours ago, Michael said:

No disrespect, but ... really? Three to four YEARS, 95+ losses, starting this year? I know I'm very optimistic here with this, but I think this team, this year, can be as "good" as winning 75 games [so 87 losses]. I could be completely wrong, sure, and we lose 100 this year, but I don't think the team will be that bad, and 100% certain this team will not be losing 95+ four straight years. In fact I say 2020, 100%, closer to 80 losses than 90. I think that team could actually have a winning record, but of course a few chips have to fall into place.

No disrespect from me, either, but I’d love to know what makes you think they’re going to be even a little better, let alone a lot better. Remember that “the process” usually requires 3-4 years of sucking (the Astros had four years as bad or worse than what the Marlins just had)

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21 minutes ago, bmg42 said:

No disrespect from me, either, but I’d love to know what makes you think they’re going to be even a little better, let alone a lot better. Remember that “the process” usually requires 3-4 years of sucking (the Astros had four years as bad or worse than what the Marlins just had)

Yes, Houston had three straight 100+ loss years before jumping to a 70-92 record and then 86-76 the year after that. It was the middle of the three 100+ loss years when they got a new owner and started to turn everything around. And from their 51-111 season in 2013, they jumped to 70-92 in 2014 and then playoffs in 2015. Truthfully I'd say their process began when ownership changed.

Not going to say it'll be exactly the same situation here, of course. And as I said, "very optimistic here" but I don't think a 75 win season is impossible. If the idea this year really is to go at it and not just give people playing time, then I think at least an eight (and a half) game improvement [so 90 losses]. Adjustments made, a year of growth, all that jazz. Then 2020 is closer to a winning season, if not at or just over .500.

We'll see of course - I'm not saying 2019 is going to be a "great" season or even a "good" one. Just a step in the right direction.

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I think the pitching staff does have a chance to be somewhat respectable, giving that term the broadest possible definition, provided the bullpen gets shored up with a one or more decent veteran arms. So that has the potential of being the "step in the right direction". But lets not kid ourselves, the positional lineup taking the field will be atrocious, I dare say amongst the worst the game will have ever seen. Runs will be more scarce then they've ever been in the history of this franchise, and that's saying something. If one could discern improvement, it certainly won't be from considering this year's won/loss record.

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The Marlins won’t sniff 77 wins this year.  They were projected to win 65-66 games before their best player was traded. 

 

With that said, to say you’ll be very surprised if the Marlins lose less than 95 games 3 or 4 years from now is just dumb.  This team in 2021 will either make the playoffs or be on the cusp of the playoffs.  They’re going to get yet another high draft pick this year and make another substantial IFA signing.  

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