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2 hours ago, DTrain said:

The Marlins won’t sniff 77 wins this year.  They were projected to win 65-66 games before their best player was traded. 

 

With that said, to say you’ll be very surprised if the Marlins lose less than 95 games 3 or 4 years from now is just dumb.  This team in 2021 will either make the playoffs or be on the cusp of the playoffs.  They’re going to get yet another high draft pick this year and make another substantial IFA signing.  

 Right now our best prospect is a 20-year old kid who had some elbow issues this past year. Our best OF prospect struck out over 200 times in AA. Our best IF prospect hit .245 in AA at 22 - not exactly the stuff of HOF careers. The other 4 clubs in the division have better minor league systems than we do right now, so it's more likely that they will be able to improve from within in the next 2-3 years. There are only 3 ways that the Marlins can get anywhere near contention in the next 3 years: 1) kids like Alcantara, Diaz, Brinson and Harrison figure it out and VVM turns into Mike Trout (BTW Brinson almost doesn't qualify as a kid anymore - he turns 25 in May); 2) there are a couple of Bryce Harpers running around HS campuses right now for the Marlins to draft in the next 3 years as we stink; or 3) Jeter decides to spend money to bring power into the lineup and a couple of top-line starters into the rotation.

Lets look at the Braves, since they'd be a team we'd be competing against in '21. Do we have anybody in our system who will be better than Albies or Acuna? How about Swanson? And then there's Freddie Freeman, who will still be only 31 in '21. Kyle Wright and Mike Soroka seem to be a year or two ahead of all our minor league guys except Alcantara, and Sandy hasn't shown consistency yet.

The situation is really bad, and if you think it's going to be better sooner rather than later, you really haven't been paying attention to what Jeter has been saying.

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4 hours ago, bmg42 said:

3) Jeter decides to spend money to bring power into the lineup and a couple of top-line starters into the rotation.

I honestly think this will begin to happen next year.

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Just now, Michael said:

I honestly think this will begin to happen next year.

They did not hide that intent in the leaked documents being sent to investors when he bought the team. It clearly had payrolls exceeding 100 million soon. Seeing as most of the players will be on low salary auto renewals or early arbitration, that pointed to a significant FA investment.

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4 hours ago, bmg42 said:

Our best OF prospect struck out over 200 times in AA. Our best IF prospect hit .245 in AA at 22 - not exactly the stuff of HOF careers.

Harrison did strike out 215 times, yes. Almost a 37% K rate in AA. In the AFL, however [yes, small sample], he dropped that down to just 23.5%. Still not great but muuuch better and closer to (and actually lower) than his norms to this point. It was his first taste of AA, generally where the best talent seems to be in the Minors, so another season there should bode well. On top of that, he still hit 19 homers and stole 28 bases. His MiLB stolen base numbers are quite good thus far, 115 out of 139. And his defense seems to be quite good. Gotta think with VVM and Brinson, Harrison will move over to right]

As for Diaz - yes, he hit .245 in AA, however his OBP was .365 - pretty good. Exception of Rookie Ball, he's not been a high average guy, but his OBP has been solid, and he's got some power. He too hit well in the AFL. Not sure on his defense but seems to have decent range going on BBRef's "range factor" numbers.

4 hours ago, bmg42 said:

The situation is really bad, and if you think it's going to be better sooner rather than later, you really haven't been paying attention to what Jeter has been saying.

@SonOfJack mentioned in the post above. Perhaps you've been missing a couple things here and there, again no disrespect. Nobody is saying this team is going to be good this year, just better. And many of us are buying in and believe it's going to be good sooner rather than later. We could be wrong, absolutely! But, we like what we're seeing.

As for your mention on Sixto - you are right, but if he's healthy going forward, then we got a great piece for the future. An ace, for sure.

And I'm gonna say no, we don't have anyone like Acuna or Albies or Freeman.

Maybe Swanson. I'd go as far to say Miguel Rojas is better than Dansby Swanson right now.

 

Let me finish by saying I understand the cynicism, you're completely justified in having it - we all would be here. It's been a decade since we've had a winning team, and only because the second wild card came around have we had any seasons where we've had anything resembling "hope" later into the year. So I get how you feel.

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4 hours ago, bmg42 said:

 Right now our best prospect is a 20-year old kid who had some elbow issues this past year. Our best OF prospect struck out over 200 times in AA. Our best IF prospect hit .245 in AA at 22 - not exactly the stuff of HOF careers. The other 4 clubs in the division have better minor league systems than we do right now, so it's more likely that they will be able to improve from within in the next 2-3 years. There are only 3 ways that the Marlins can get anywhere near contention in the next 3 years: 1) kids like Alcantara, Diaz, Brinson and Harrison figure it out and VVM turns into Mike Trout (BTW Brinson almost doesn't qualify as a kid anymore - he turns 25 in May); 2) there are a couple of Bryce Harpers running around HS campuses right now for the Marlins to draft in the next 3 years as we stink; or 3) Jeter decides to spend money to bring power into the lineup and a couple of top-line starters into the rotation.

Lets look at the Braves, since they'd be a team we'd be competing against in '21. Do we have anybody in our system who will be better than Albies or Acuna? How about Swanson? And then there's Freddie Freeman, who will still be only 31 in '21. Kyle Wright and Mike Soroka seem to be a year or two ahead of all our minor league guys except Alcantara, and Sandy hasn't shown consistency yet.

The situation is really bad, and if you think it's going to be better sooner rather than later, you really haven't been paying attention to what Jeter has been saying.

A) all young pitchers have elbow concerns. It’s the nature of the game now.  His ceiling is Pedro Martínez.  That is a ridiculously high ceiling. He can have TJS this year or next and still be healthy for 2021.  

B) Our best Outfield prospect is Victor Victor Mesa. Try again. 

C)  It’s 2019, nobody gives a fok about Batting Average 

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For anyone who has already given up on Lewis Brinson and Monte Harrison, Yoan Moncada struck out 217 times last year and made 21 errors.  

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4 hours ago, DTrain said:

For anyone who has already given up on Lewis Brinson and Monte Harrison, Yoan Moncada struck out 217 times last year and made 21 errors.  

I give up on Moncada.

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