SonOfJack 2,609 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said: Frisaro mentions Hand many times before he retired, if this team can't afford Hand then they need a new owner. I didn't read those stories. Did Frisaro say they were interested? Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,609 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 With the Mets involved, Hand's price could still be relatively high. He should continue to be good, but you also can't risk too many dollars on a closer if you're the fish. Think back to Heath Bell. Only time it may make sense to take a big chance like that is if a closer was the final missing piece. And then even still, I don't think big multiyear deals with closers or relievers in general are good ideas normally. The fish also need more than a closer and do have a limited amount of dollars to spend. It isn't just Sherman who is likely tightening the purse strings this off-season. I said I wanted the fish to go after Realmuto and/or Ozuna before this off-season began and I still want that. It is not likely going to happen though unfortunately. Big money on a closer though, I never was really looking for that. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
SilverBullet 2,731 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, SonOfJack said: I didn't read those stories. Did Frisaro say they were interested? No he basically just said it would be cool if Hand returned to Miami. Link to post Share on other sites
Photo-Realistic Billy 431 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 33 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: No he basically just said it would be cool if Hand returned to Miami. Joe, bless his heart, also forecast a $100M payroll for some 6 straight years. Link to post Share on other sites
Michael 2,442 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 25 minutes ago, Photo-Realistic Billy said: Joe, bless his heart, also forecast a $100M payroll for some 6 straight years. And if this team can't afford it we need new owners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
taiwanmarlin 466 Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 I admit I'm always saying something exaggerated, but just don't acting like I'm the only one here want this team to sign somebody to improve the team. I'm want this team to sign Hand and not Bauer, Springer or Realmuto, it's a $30M contract and not a $300M contract. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,609 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said: but just don't acting like I'm the only one here want this team to sign somebody to improve the team Well considering I literally named players I want them to sign in my previous post, you sure do exaggerate sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites
taiwanmarlin 466 Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 Ok, just like what @SilverBulletsaid, accept the fact that this team would not to sign any elite player or leaving to be a fan of a team would do it … Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,609 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said: Ok, just like what @SilverBulletsaid, accept the fact that this team would not to sign any elite player or leaving to be a fan of a team would do it … How many teams have signed "elite" players this off-season? Link to post Share on other sites
taiwanmarlin 466 Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 4 minutes ago, SonOfJack said: How many teams have signed "elite" players this off-season? Some teams would to sign those players eventually, but the chance for Marlins to do it is approximate "ZERO ", you know it… Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,609 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 4 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said: Some teams would to sign those players eventually, but the chance for Marlins to do it is approximate "ZERO ", you know it… Let’s wait and see what happens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Photo-Realistic Billy 431 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, Michael said: And if this team can't afford it we need new owners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eh, that may be true, but I think it's very important to note that player payroll is only one portion of where a successful team puts its money. Say what you will about Loria (such as: he was incompetent; he was overly optimistic; he was out of his depth; etc.), but he would run bigger payrolls from time-to-time. However, he did so at the expense of spending on international free agency, upgrading the Dominican facility, spending big on the draft, filling out a modern analytics department, and so on. Those are all things the Rays spend on big every year while spending lightly on actual player payroll. The result has been a very competitive team despite very un-competitive attendance figures. Link to post Share on other sites
rmc523 580 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 7 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said: Frisaro mentions Hand many times before he retired, if this team can't afford Hand then they need a new owner. Don't you get tired of complaining all the time? 26 minutes ago, Photo-Realistic Billy said: Eh, that may be true, but I think it's very important to note that player payroll is only one portion of where a successful team puts its money. Say what you will about Loria (such as: he was incompetent; he was overly optimistic; he was out of his depth; etc.), but he would run bigger payrolls from time-to-time. However, he did so at the expense of spending on international free agency, upgrading the Dominican facility, spending big on the draft, filling out a modern analytics department, and so on. Those are all things the Rays spend on big every year while spending lightly on actual player payroll. The result has been a very competitive team despite very un-competitive attendance figures. The 800 exclamation points didn't give away the heavy dose of sarcasm in that post? Link to post Share on other sites
Photo-Realistic Billy 431 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, rmc523 said: The 800 exclamation points didn't give away the heavy dose of sarcasm in that post? This World Wide Web site has a strict "no sarcasm" rule. Please read the site by-laws before posting. Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,609 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 20 minutes ago, Photo-Realistic Billy said: Please read the site by-laws before posting. Where are they? Link to post Share on other sites
Michael 2,442 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, SonOfJack said: Where are they? By the laws. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,609 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, Michael said: By the laws. In-laws? Link to post Share on other sites
Michael 2,442 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, SonOfJack said: In-laws? Yes, in the laws section. Link to post Share on other sites
taiwanmarlin 466 Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 5 hours ago, rmc523 said: Don't you get tired of complaining all the time? Sorry, I'm just not a good fan like you that never complain to the team… Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,609 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 10 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said: Sorry, I'm just not a good fan like you that never complain to the team… Has nothing to do with being a good fan or a bad fan. Link to post Share on other sites
taiwanmarlin 466 Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, SonOfJack said: Has nothing to do with being a good fan or a bad fan. I believe in the mind of many peoples here I'm just a bad fan that always not agree to what this team doing. Link to post Share on other sites
rmc523 580 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said: I believe in the mind of many peoples here I'm just a bad fan that always not agree to what this team doing. Not it at all. A team will sign someone to a minor league deal, and you panic talking about the team being cheap and haven't signed anyone yet, etc. etc. Just be patient. If the offseason ends and we still haven't done much/anything, I'll be right there with you to complain. But the constant complaints about every single move by other teams, rumors about us, the lack of news, etc. gets old. With that, I won't talk about it any more for now, as to not derail the thread. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,609 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 11 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said: I believe in the mind of many peoples here I'm just a bad fan that always not agree to what this team doing. I don't think so. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
cyoung 131 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 10 hours ago, Photo-Realistic Billy said: Eh, that may be true, but I think it's very important to note that player payroll is only one portion of where a successful team puts its money. Say what you will about Loria (such as: he was incompetent; he was overly optimistic; he was out of his depth; etc.), but he would run bigger payrolls from time-to-time. However, he did so at the expense of spending on international free agency, upgrading the Dominican facility, spending big on the draft, filling out a modern analytics department, and so on. Those are all things the Rays spend on big every year while spending lightly on actual player payroll. The result has been a very competitive team despite very un-competitive attendance figures. Loria basically did the only thing out of that list that doesn't translate to wins - he gave out silly contracts at times. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
el_gmac 379 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 10 hours ago, rmc523 said: Don't you get tired of complaining all the time? he's from the future don't mess with him Link to post Share on other sites
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