SilverBullet 2,357 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyoung 120 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Michael said: Eh, if you can go all fields, sure. If Beni started turning into a pure pull hitter, that may have affected a lot. Fenway is massive in right field. I'd rather see a fundamental hitter. 50% of you games aren't at your home field (even though it works out really well the other 50% of the time if you play for Philly) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marlins_09 50 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, SonOfJack said: Interesting, but I’d be shocked if we sign him. Plenty someone with a major SP void will offer him a major league deal and a spot in the rotation. I’d be interested in a low risk deal for Depth, but don’t anticipate that being his best offer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iowa 98 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I don't mean to keep saying Cubs players but Jose Quintana may fit the bill for a LH veteran that won't come very pricey. James Paxton would probably be too much. I do think we definitely need to add a veteran SP that can eat innings Sign: Quintana Bradley Trade for: Contreras That'd be a very good offseason and one that wouldn't break the bank. Would love to get a RF as well 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marlinsmaniac 354 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, Iowa said: I don't mean to keep saying Cubs players but Jose Quintana may fit the bill for a LH veteran that won't come very pricey. James Paxton would probably be too much. I do think we definitely need to add a veteran SP that can eat innings Sign: Quintana Bradley Trade for: Contreras That'd be a very good offseason and one that wouldn't break the bank. Would love to get a RF as well Im good with Bradley and Contreras (at the right price) but I won’t feel that Quintana is necessary. I think the rotation of Sandy, Sixto, Pablo, Elieser, and Rodgers works until Edward comes up and inevitably replaces either Rodgers or Eliser. We would also need a genuine, everyday, major league outfielder. Cause none of our outfield options are anywhere near ready and RF was a black hole 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CyggyMarlin 256 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 8 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said: Im good with Bradley and Contreras (at the right price) but I won’t feel that Quintana is necessary. I think the rotation of Sandy, Sixto, Pablo, Elieser, and Rodgers works until Edward comes up and inevitably replaces either Rodgers or Eliser. We would also need a genuine, everyday, major league outfielder. Cause none of our outfield options are anywhere near ready and RF was a black hole Plus Mad Max. They almost considered giving Meyer some MLB time and said he was near ready after the draft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marlinsmaniac 354 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 48 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said: Plus Mad Max. They almost considered giving Meyer some MLB time and said he was near ready after the draft. Yeah but I think he’s a September call up at earliest. He needs at least a full minor league season before I’m comfortable calling him up if I were the Marlins Edited January 14 by marlinsmaniac 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffreysfishfry 154 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 36 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said: Im good with Bradley and Contreras (at the right price) but I won’t feel that Quintana is necessary. I think the rotation of Sandy, Sixto, Pablo, Elieser, and Rodgers works until Edward comes up and inevitably replaces either Rodgers or Eliser. We would also need a genuine, everyday, major league outfielder. Cause none of our outfield options are anywhere near ready and RF was a black hole If Brinson or Harrison could just break out, we could have an opportunistic lineup consisting on speed at the top and back of the lineup. They both field there position at a high level. Management should have developed them more fundamentally, cutting the swing in half with higher contact rates and getting BB. We need to be aggressive once on base. If we can lead the league again in SB then I don't think the outfield looks as bad as it does. Pitching and defense can make up for the rest. I agree completely with Quintana. He has value but not in our deep rotation. Him being LHP is a plus but still not worth it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marlinsmaniac 354 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 27 minutes ago, jeffreysfishfry said: If Brinson or Harrison could just break out, we could have an opportunistic lineup consisting on speed at the top and back of the lineup. They both field there position at a high level. Management should have developed them more fundamentally, cutting the swing in half with higher contact rates and getting BB. We need to be aggressive once on base. If we can lead the league again in SB then I don't think the outfield looks as bad as it does. Pitching and defense can make up for the rest. I agree completely with Quintana. He has value but not in our deep rotation. Him being LHP is a plus but still not worth it. I agree, those two are such a big X factor for the team right now. Imagine both of them had actually come up and produced the way they were expected to in the minors. We’d have a top 5 outfield for sure. There’s still time for Both so let’s see how it goes 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyoung 120 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 17 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said: I agree, those two are such a big X factor for the team right now. Imagine both of them had actually come up and produced the way they were expected to in the minors. We’d have a top 5 outfield for sure. There’s still time for Both so let’s see how it goes I am a lot more confident in Brinson than Harrison. Brinson's issues seem mostly mental - he loses discipline. Everything Harrison does on offense is ugly - the swing is atrocious, the approach is even worse, and discipline is even worse than that. I truly feel like Brinson can turn a corner anytime. I'm not nearly as confident in Harrison. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffreysfishfry 154 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 40 minutes ago, cyoung said: I am a lot more confident in Brinson than Harrison. Brinson's issues seem mostly mental - he loses discipline. Everything Harrison does on offense is ugly - the swing is atrocious, the approach is even worse, and discipline is even worse than that. I truly feel like Brinson can turn a corner anytime. I'm not nearly as confident in Harrison. That's probably true. Brinson has more upside. Harrison though, if they just dumb it down for him, keep it simple and bat him in the 8th spot he could cause havoc on the bases. This is the danger when you start labeling prospects as having "5 tools". Just because a player shows signs of all those traits doesn't mean they are necessarily good at any of them. Fundamentally, anything you're better at in life should be focused on first, then the rest could fall into place. Maybe developmentally, this was misunderstood because of the "5 tool" label. They need to get a fair chance. IDK if anyone else noticed, but last year I could see they really wanted to be apart of something special. Mattingly IMO handled Brinson poorly last year. Really hurt what improvement he did make. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Photo-Realistic Billy 339 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 45 minutes ago, jeffreysfishfry said: That's probably true. Brinson has more upside. Harrison though, if they just dumb it down for him, keep it simple and bat him in the 8th spot he could cause havoc on the bases. This is the danger when you start labeling prospects as having "5 tools". Just because a player shows signs of all those traits doesn't mean they are necessarily good at any of them. Fundamentally, anything you're better at in life should be focused on first, then the rest could fall into place. Maybe developmentally, this was misunderstood because of the "5 tool" label. They need to get a fair chance. IDK if anyone else noticed, but last year I could see they really wanted to be apart of something special. Mattingly IMO handled Brinson poorly last year. Really hurt what improvement he did make. Agreed on all by the last point. Mattingly played Brinson exclusively against lefties, and Brinson excelled. As a reward, Brinson started getting more playing time against righties -- something we were all clamoring for -- and he began to struggle. And ultimately, I think that early success / late struggle may have been a good thing. It showed Brinson, yes, he's making positive changes and capable of hitting MLB pitching. But it also showed him there's still room to grow. It gives him hope and keeps him hungry. I don't think Mattingly could have managed it any better. Gosh, yer getting me excited for 2021!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taiwanmarlin 402 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, jeffreysfishfry said: This is the danger when you start labeling prospects as having "5 tools". Five tools or zero tool… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Photo-Realistic Billy 339 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 8 hours ago, Photo-Realistic Billy said: Agreed on all by the last point All BUT the last point. Big typo there. Sorry! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SonOfJack 2,314 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, Photo-Realistic Billy said: Sorry! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taiwanmarlin 402 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 It would be great to acquire Contreras but at the same time you have to forfeit some top prospects, it would be a big test of Ng. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael 2,191 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said: It would be great to acquire Contreras but at the same time you have to forfeit some top prospects, it would be a big test of Ng. Yes, some of the Top 30. None of the top 5 and maybe not even top 10. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Das Texan 132 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 If Marlins can trade for Contreras and only have to give up prospects that are a long ways off (aka lotto tickts of sorts) thats a deal you do 10 times out of 10. Same with avoiding dealing your top 5 prospects as well, which given how the Cubs are operating this winter, should be doable. Not really sure what the end game with the Cubs is, but I hope they lose for 100 years as a result. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taiwanmarlin 402 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 10 minutes ago, Michael said: Yes, some of the Top 30. None of the top 5 and maybe not even top 10. That would be a dream come true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Photo-Realistic Billy 339 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Das Texan said: If Marlins can trade for Contreras and only have to give up prospects that are a long ways off (aka lotto tickts of sorts) thats a deal you do 10 times out of 10. Same with avoiding dealing your top 5 prospects as well, which given how the Cubs are operating this winter, should be doable. Not really sure what the end game with the Cubs is, but I hope they lose for 100 years as a result. What is it folks say? If it sounds too good to be true, it is? With all due respect to Darvish and his final 3 years of team control, he and his $60M contact are a whole different bucket of worms from Contreras. I don't see a deal happening without a big prospect going to Chicago, so I don't see a deal happening at all. Sorry y'all. 😟 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael 2,191 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Photo-Realistic Billy said: What is it folks say? If it sounds too good to be true, it is? With all due respect to Darvish and his final 3 years of team control, he and his $60M contact are a whole different bucket of worms from Contreras. I don't see a deal happening without a big prospect going to Chicago, so I don't see a deal happening at all. Sorry y'all. 😟 That big prospect could end up being Yiddi Cappe or Jose Salas, who are both a few years off. Not the worst thing ever. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SilverBullet 2,357 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, Das Texan said: If Marlins can trade for Contreras and only have to give up prospects that are a long ways off (aka lotto tickts of sorts) thats a deal you do 10 times out of 10. Same with avoiding dealing your top 5 prospects as well, which given how the Cubs are operating this winter, should be doable. Not really sure what the end game with the Cubs is, but I hope they lose for 100 years as a result. I agree with all of this 100% Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SilverBullet 2,357 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said: That would be a dream come true. Tbh it might not even be a dream, I think it's realistic. Let's see! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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