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1 minute ago, taiwanmarlin said:

The IL of Fried would help a lot. 

Apparently the Braves rotation doesn't have the depth they thought they did. What a perfect story that would be if that's how the Marlins take the division over them. 

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9 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Seems extreme...

 

...but I LIKE IT

I live in PA.... fuck the Phillies.... I hate them

 

Side note: my FB feed is full of Phillies fans posting Sixto articles and bitching they already lost the JT trade because he has not been signed to an extension yet

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40 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said:

I live in PA.... fuck the Phillies.... I hate them

 

Side note: my FB feed is full of Phillies fans posting Sixto articles and bitching they already lost the JT trade because he has not been signed to an extension yet

I think even if he signs they still lose the trade. Think about it, they would have been better with Sixto on the mound and Alfaro behind the plate than with realmuto. Yeah, Realmuto’s better than just Alfaro, but it wasn’t a one for one trade. Barring a major injury for either player, the fact that they gave up Sixto is a huge overpay. And I’ll take it for once lol 

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I get what the Phillies were thinking but the only way they could have won that trade was a World Series berth in either 2019 or 2020. It was a win now trade for a team who felt they were one good piece away from getting over the hump.

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1 minute ago, SilverBullet said:

I get what the Phillies were thinking but the only way they could have won that trade was a World Series berth in either 2019 or 2020. It was a win now trade for a team who felt they were one good piece away from getting over the hump.

Definitely, yeah. Obviously the jury is still out on 2020 but so far it looks like a clear win for the fish!

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Yep, I was just thinking this and started coming around to this since our rotation got pretty healthy. I've now become convinced that with the pitching we have in the rotation, we're a true contender for this division. And maybe deep post season too.....

I see no reason why not.

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5 hours ago, CyggyMarlin said:

I live in PA.... fuck the Phillies.... I hate them

 

Side note: my FB feed is full of Phillies fans posting Sixto articles and bitching they already lost the JT trade because he has not been signed to an extension yet

That's an important thing about trades like this. Not did we get Sixto as an ace, but we kept him from pitching for the Phillies.

 

Edit: Just saw the other comments. Already been addressed. lol

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Pablo has two bad outings in a row, people would say the umpires do the most in it, but I believe the bad calls were around the league and not only to the Marlins. I remember somebody said before that Pablo was a pitcher with gentle personality and maybe it's why the bad calls would affect his emotions more than other pitchers. 

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8 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said:

Pablo has two bad outings in a row, people would say the umpires do the most in it, but I believe the bad calls were around the league and not only to the Marlins. I remember somebody said before that Pablo was a pitcher with gentle personality and maybe it's why the bad calls would affect his emotions more than other pitchers. 

I’m not sure if there’s any truth to this, but I remember thinking how it felt like the bad call in his last start really affected him. 

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17 hours ago, Mr. Man said:

Yep, I was just thinking this and started coming around to this since our rotation got pretty healthy. I've now become convinced that with the pitching we have in the rotation, we're a true contender for this division. And maybe deep post season too.....

I see no reason why not.

I get this feeling that, it's not that we're the best team out there, we're definitely not... but the type of starting pitching we have allows us to beat "better" teams on any given night. And that's why we're dangerous.

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An MLB opinion piece on the 5 surprise playoff contenders (MIA, BAL, SF, SEA, DET) gives us and the Giants the most realistic chances of making it and says we're the team with the least amount of obstacles in our way.

Loosely summarized:

SF: It's hard to see their overachieving players continuing to be this good... they aren't likely to overtake the Padres and Dodgers and also still play them and Oakland way too many times down the stretch.

BAL: Fun story but rotation question marks and games against the Yankees Rays and Braves will be hard for them... ultimately they're just not that good yet.

DET: They've gotten hot but a poor rotation will affect the bullpen and they are unlikely to have enough down the stretch.

SEA: Bad bullpen and a tough schedule combined with a much easier schedule for the Astros.

MIA: Strong starting pitching gives them a legit chance and their loose "we've already been through the worst" attitude seems to be driving them and could negate what seems to be a bumpy remaining schedule. Also their spot in the standings favors them as, unlike the other 4 teams, the Marlins have a more direct path to actually taking the division, or at least 2nd place.

Also, Tigers and Mariners playoff odds have actually gone down despite playing well because the really good AL teams are so good that it's created more distance between everyone else.

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12 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

I think, with the inconsistent of hitting and pitching, this team would be lucky to steal the second wild card. 

This Miami team has been inconsistent for years.....ever since I have been following the Marlins since 1995. In 97 they bought the WS win. The only good season they had was half of 2003, legit win.

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1 minute ago, FloridaMarlinsForever said:

In 97 they bought the WS win

They had the 7th highest payroll in MLB that year. Other 6 teams should've won it if money is all that matters. Besides we have seen that you can't buy a WS win. Look at some of the highest payrolls in recent seasons who didn't win the WS or even make the playoffs.

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I do agree that the 97 team had a "bought" element to it considering how many big money pieces were added prior to that season but it's definitely not about payroll because the games still have to be played. Checkbooks don't play the games, also money doesn't buy team chemistry. Though Huizenga not being able to afford the team after 97 also lends support to them being bought or maybe better said they were a rental.

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15 minutes ago, FloridaMarlinsForever said:

This Miami team has been inconsistent for years.....ever since I have been following the Marlins since 1995. In 97 they bought the WS win. The only good season they had was half of 2003, legit win.

I've always felt the 1997 team was our best team, even with the bought/high payroll part to it. The 2003 team always felt like a hot/lucky/overachieving team. Not that that's a bad thing but they always felt like the underdogs vs "better" teams, which happens to be something I feel with the 2020 club as well.

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I dislike the bought argument. I think people forget how many key players were already on that team before 1997.

Kevin Brown, Gary Sheffield, Devon White, Charles Johnson, Jeff Conine, Edgar Renteria, Livan Hernandez, Robb Nen, Al Leiter to name some were already on that team before 1997.

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20 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

I dislike the bought argument. I think people forget how many key players were already on that team before 1997.

Kevin Brown, Gary Sheffield, Devon White, Charles Johnson, Jeff Conine, Edgar Renteria, Livan Hernandez, Robb Nen, Al Leiter to name some were already on that team before 1997.

Right but then they went out and grabbed Alou, Fernandez, Bonilla, I think others too... and then decided they couldn't afford to keep them so they bought/rented several final pieces to the puzzle. 

It wasn't an entirely bought team though I'll give you that.

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