1.618 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 5 hours ago, SilverBullet said: I'm not sure everyone is looking at this thing the right way. This competition between Jazz and Isan is only to determine who is the 2B to start this season. No matter what happens with that decision, Jazz is the starting SS in 2022, if not earlier. It's not like Isan is taking long term playing time away from Jazz. If Rojas wasn't still on the team, Jazz would be the SS on Opening Day '21 and Isan would be the 2B. The competition is just for the short term and in the long term the questions are about Isan and Isan only, I don't think there's many questions about Jazz's role down the line. This shouldn’t be about Isan vs Jazz like you said. It is however about Isan hitting rock bottom and how to get it fixed for ‘22. We also shouldn’t assume that sending him down would be the end of career either. Keeping him in the majors because he has nothing to prove in AAA is just an excuse that could backfire. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Erick said: Rojas and the Marlins should come to a mutual agreement Aren't all agreements mutual? If not then they wouldn't be agreements. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, jeffreysfishfry said: This shouldn’t be about Isan vs Jazz like you said. It is however about Isan hitting rock bottom and how to get it fixed for ‘22. We also shouldn’t assume that sending him down would be the end of career either. Keeping him in the majors because he has nothing to prove in AAA is just an excuse that could backfire. And just because he's proven he can play in AAA doesn't automatically mean he's ready for the majors either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Lots of prospects to look forward to, but is it wrong that I am really looking forward to Miggy Ro hopefully becoming a Marlins manager someday? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1.618 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: And just because he's proven he can play in AAA doesn't automatically mean he's ready for the majors either. Sending him down doesn’t mean he needs to prove himself again. Nothing should be assumed on how he does if he is optioned down. It’s just to pump the breaks is all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: Aren't all agreements mutual? If not then they wouldn't be agreements. Well...yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photo-Realistic Billy Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Ooh boy, watching Connor Scott and Victor Victor Mesa slap around MLB pitcher Giovanny Gallegos -- it gives me palpitations! Those are two outfielders not even on the OF prospect scene for the Marlins right now, and there's a real chance they would have been Top 10 prospects in the 2017 farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Photo-Realistic Billy said: Ooh boy, watching Connor Scott and Victor Victor Mesa slap around MLB pitcher Giovanny Gallegos -- it gives me palpitations! Those are two outfielders not even on the OF prospect scene for the Marlins right now, and there's a real chance they would have been Top 10 prospects in the 2017 farm system. I do not miss the days when our first round pick immediately became our #1 prospect (Kolek, Garrett, et al). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Erick said: The present day Cardinals are a shit team. Especially with Matt Carpenter on it (who is actually worse than Isan Diaz, which is a difficult accomplishment) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Photo-Realistic Billy said: I'm sure he could crack the roster of a shit team, like the Marlins of 2018 or the present day Cardinals. But the Marlins have added and added -- Dickerson, Marte, Duvall, Aguilar (pushing Cooper to part-time OF). It's a good problem to have. Good teams call up prospects when the prospects are destroying the minors, not when the team has a gap. Prospect status technically evaporates for Harrison after this season. At this point, I'm not really sure you can consider him a prospect really given his age. At this point Harrison is teetering very close to the bust status. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, SilverBullet said: Maybe we can trade Isan to the Cardinals? Tommy Edman is a far superior 2b to Isan Diaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, jeffreysfishfry said: This shouldn’t be about Isan vs Jazz like you said. It is however about Isan hitting rock bottom and how to get it fixed for ‘22. We also shouldn’t assume that sending him down would be the end of career either. Keeping him in the majors because he has nothing to prove in AAA is just an excuse that could backfire. Not really sure why everyone is assuming Diaz will automatically be the 2b for the Marlins in 2022 and doesnt get passed on the depth chart.... LIke by a Jose Devers (forcing Jazz to remain at 2b) or even a Nasim Nunez. Like Harrison, Diaz is entering the stage of being too old to consider a prospect at this point (forgetting completely he has no rookie status anymore) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1.618 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Das Texan said: Not really sure why everyone is assuming Diaz will automatically be the 2b for the Marlins in 2022 and doesnt get passed on the depth chart.... LIke by a Jose Devers (forcing Jazz to remain at 2b) or even a Nasim Nunez. Like Harrison, Diaz is entering the stage of being too old to consider a prospect at this point (forgetting completely he has no rookie status anymore) It was hypothetical, that if Isan is optioned, he still may have a chance to retain 2b in ‘22 or earlier. Of course it’s circumstantial. Silver and I already said nothing should be assumed. That doesn’t mean you can’t game plan for it though. I was going to put Isan down as my “you’re busted” pick, but I feared the pitch forks and went with Alfaro. When Isan left the team (for a long stint) last year, it begs the question to his commitment to baseball IMO. I even went as far to say that he may be traded and that didn’t go to well. I still root for Isan in every AB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbanCastillo Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Das Texan said: Not really sure why everyone is assuming Diaz will automatically be the 2b for the Marlins in 2022 and doesnt get passed on the depth chart.... LIke by a Jose Devers (forcing Jazz to remain at 2b) or even a Nasim Nunez. Like Harrison, Diaz is entering the stage of being too old to consider a prospect at this point (forgetting completely he has no rookie status anymore) Jose Devers be looking like he's hungry for a spot. He's gunning for one for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 While ST win loss records don't matter this as a whole is pretty nice.... So is it just a coincidence or is it a sign of a shift in team culture? Or a little of both? Or nothing at all? Maybe this entire organization is actually taking things more seriously? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 hours ago, SilverBullet said: While ST win loss records don't matter this as a whole is pretty nice.... So is it just a coincidence or is it a sign of a shift in team culture? Or a little of both? Or nothing at all? Maybe this entire organization is actually taking things more seriously? Maybe they should wear the blue uniforms for regular season games 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photo-Realistic Billy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 hours ago, SilverBullet said: While ST win loss records don't matter this as a whole is pretty nice.... So is it just a coincidence or is it a sign of a shift in team culture? Or a little of both? Or nothing at all? Maybe this entire organization is actually taking things more seriously? I think there's at least a modest correlation with the improved minor league talent. Prospects play almost 50% of the spring games, so it follows an improved farm system should positively impact the spring record. At least that's my theory. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Erick said: Maybe they should wear the blue uniforms for regular season games Full agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 53 minutes ago, Michael said: Full agreement. Do you guys mutually agree on this or was it not mutual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: Do you guys mutually agree on this or was it not mutual? He made the statement and I agreed with his statement so automatically yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Rojas keeps getting better and better at baseball. I hope he's here in 2022, to say the least 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 6 hours ago, SongInTheAir said: Whoever wrote that seems like a cuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1.618 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) Edited March 24, 2021 by jeffreysfishfry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Isan Diaz is a shitty ball player and seems like he has given up on making the team I guess. Option his ass out now. Guys just need to accept what I've been saying since 2019. Isan Diaz is not good and shouldnt be a MLB everyday starter. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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