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If the Marlins finish at or close to .500, does it hurt or help the rebuild?

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4 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

I’m going to go with ‘helps’ assuming that it’s a result of getting production from our “future core”. If the reason we are .500 is because of guys like Harold Ramirez, Andy, Alfaro, Diaz*, Harrison*, and the SP staff, this is a HUGE positive to the rebuild as we will be checking off boxes along the way. 

 

Regarding the draft picks, if this was the NFL that would be a concern. There are too many ways to acquire talent in baseball (International, trade deadline, Rule 5) for that to outweigh positives from guys already in the system 

You cant rely on the Rule 5 draft and International rules are changing again with this cycle to make the playing field much more even.

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The "this team is 50 years away" crowd sure has quieted down the past few weeks.

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1 minute ago, Das Texan said:

You cant rely on the Rule 5 draft and International rules are changing again with this cycle to make the playing field much more even.

Right. I’m not saying completely ignore the draft. But it’s also not like the NFL or NBA where the draft is king and a couple wins here and there could cost you future picks in order to get your future QB/cornerstone. 

The hit rate in the MLB draft is so scattered that’s its almost irrelevant in terms of what to be rooting for - success for guys in upper levels of your system vs draft position 

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Just now, SonOfJack said:

The "this team is 50 years away" crowd sure has quieted down the past few weeks.

They must think we have done some time traveling here. 

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16 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

Right. I’m not saying completely ignore the draft. But it’s also not like the NFL or NBA where the draft is king and a couple wins here and there could cost you future picks in order to get your future QB/cornerstone. 

The hit rate in the MLB draft is so scattered that’s its almost irrelevant in terms of what to be rooting for - success for guys in upper levels of your system vs draft position 

the MLB draft success rate is increasing every year, especially in earlier rounds.

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8 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

the MLB draft success rate is increasing every year, especially in earlier rounds.

That’s fantastic. Means we should have an even better chance at getting a prospect at pick 10-15 than in previous years. 

Point still stands ->

Success at the big league level for current building blocks (Diaz, Harrison, Harold, etc) >>>>>> a handful of positions in the draft order. 

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30 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

The "this team is 50 years away" crowd sure has quieted down the past few weeks.

fine 49 years away

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47 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Depends.

If they buy rentals or old players they are dumber than boxes of rocks and it truly is Loria 2.0.

 

If they want to buy controlled pieces, different story.

Just dont pull a Pirates (even cheaper ownership) and acquire a Chris Archer and then play the card of see we are acquiring talent (after trading away Cole for pennies in the winter prior)

That Chris archer trade was shocking considering that it happened in 2018 and not 1998.  I thought teams were across the board smarter than that now.  Supposedly Glasgow had issues they weren’t equipped to fix.  Of course TB fixes all pitchers.  But to throw in Meadows on top of that.  Wow. 

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16 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

That’s fantastic. Means we should have an even better chance at getting a prospect at pick 10-15 than in previous years. 

Point still stands ->

Success at the big league level for current building blocks (Diaz, Harrison, Harold, etc) >>>>>> a handful of positions in the draft order. 

I mean a higher draft pick still means a greater chance of success and more importantly just a larger bonus pool to use.  

You are basically arguing that the MLB draft isnt that important and comparing it to the NFL and NBA draft.  Those are both drafts designed to bring in players immediately. 

Though in the NBA some people talk about expanding the NBA draft and expanding the G league as a true minor league for teams, but beside the point.  

While the MLB draft isnt a draft designed to have players immediately contribute, the idea of it being a crap shoot, is decreasing by the day and you'll see the success rates of MLB draft players probably mirror those of NFL and NBA drafts in terms of contributing to their teams successes (just wont happen for 2-5 years depending on age at being picked)

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30 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

the MLB draft success rate is increasing every year, especially in earlier rounds.

I wonder if the slotting system that came out of the 2012 CBA had some impact there. Before you had players bonus demands affecting their draft position.  There were cases where guys would go higher than they should have because they were “signable”. Obviously baseball ops departments across the board are doing a better job with more data than ever.  

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