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If the Marlins finish at or close to .500, does it hurt or help the rebuild?

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5 minutes ago, THRILLHO said:

I wonder if the slotting system that came out of the 2012 CBA had some impact there. Before you had players bonus demands affecting their draft position.  There were cases where guys would go higher than they should have because they were “signable”. Obviously baseball ops departments across the board are doing a better job with more data than ever.  

Partially but its more the last point you raised. 

Scouting has become a lot better, data is being used more and scouts biggest jobs now are to see the things you cant see with data, as opposed to relying on scouts to do the entire thing.  

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1 minute ago, SilverBullet said:

The Pirates give the Marlins a real run for their money as far as bone headed decisions. 

Oh the Pirates were and always have been cheaper and more stupidly run than the Marlins.

They just have more competent leadership in their front office historically.  

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3 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

100% agree with this.

That's two days in a week we agree, I am worried.

I think it's basically, don't make the same mistake as last year when there was interest in the bullpen arms from contenders, and now probably won't be as much. If someone is willing to give a mid-level to slightly above mid-level prospect for, say, Conley [be shocking if that happened], the team absolutely needs to say yes.

Unless that team is the Rays or Astros, then keep him and question what it might be that they say can be fixed and turning him elite.

 

3 hours ago, marlins_09 said:

I’m going to go with ‘helps’ assuming that it’s a result of getting production from our “future core”. If the reason we are .500 is because of guys like Harold Ramirez, Andy, Alfaro, Diaz*, Harrison*, and the SP staff, this is a HUGE positive to the rebuild as we will be checking off boxes along the way. 

 

Regarding the draft picks, if this was the NFL that would be a concern. There are too many ways to acquire talent in baseball (International, trade deadline, Rule 5) for that to outweigh positives from guys already in the system 

Agreed on this. MLB draft is the biggest crapshoot of all drafts. Just develop well with the players you have already, and whoever you draft, develop them well too. Obvs. ❤️ 

 

3 hours ago, Das Texan said:

Depends.

If they buy rentals or old players they are dumber than boxes of rocks and it truly is Loria 2.0.

 

If they want to buy controlled pieces, different story.

Just dont pull a Pirates (even cheaper ownership) and acquire a Chris Archer and then play the card of see we are acquiring talent (after trading away Cole for pennies in the winter prior)

That Pirates trade, holy crap. Especially with how bad Archer has been for them. No idea what they were thinking, IMO Archer wasn't even that good the last couple years as it was. Overrated player and thinks he's a gift to MLB. And don't get me started on his hypocrisy.

 

3 hours ago, Das Texan said:

the MLB draft success rate is increasing every year, especially in earlier rounds.

I was going to reply to this mentioning the analytics, but you pretty much already got around to it so we're in agreement there.

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Honestly the Pirates ownership ran by a Michael Hill would be a bigger joke and disaster than when Loria owned the marlins.  

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Helps the rebuild no question. Right now it certainly feels like 2006 esque. Although that team had Hanley Ramirez and Miguel Cabrera along with some young sluggers in Dan Uggla, Mike Jacobs, Jeremy Hermida. They had more promise.

What's important is that the Marlins front office doesn't jump the gun and do what they did in the 2014 off-season and start trading away prospects for short term fixes.

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on a side note since the last time either Brinson or O'Brien received an actual at bat for the Marlins....

runs per game w/ Brinson and Pete:  2.75

without: 4.68

 

that is some serious addition by subtraction

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6 hours ago, hovertical said:

on a side note since the last time either Brinson or O'Brien received an actual at bat for the Marlins....

runs per game w/ Brinson and Pete:  2.75

without: 4.68

 

that is some serious addition by subtraction

Whats Brinson doing down in AAA anyway?

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7 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Whats Brinson doing down in AAA anyway?

Doing well. I would expect him to return to Miami soon, though they may be hesitant to change the current lineup.

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