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Pennsylvania Pirates @ Miami Marlins - June 14, 2019

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4 hours ago, DTrain said:

Fangraphs >>>>>>>> Baseball Reference 

So on fangraphs they point you towards Baseball Reference?

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59 minutes ago, MarlinsContinueTo ShowDominance said:

Shouldn't need to take a calculus class to enjoy baseball

Not only that. But when you create 5000 stats, there will always be at least one that proves any point.  The stats become meaningless.

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1 hour ago, MarlinsContinueTo ShowDominance said:

Shouldn't need to take a calculus class to enjoy baseball

No one is requiring anyone to understand advanced stats in order to enjoy baseball. In the same way I can enjoy the weather without a meteorology degree, you can certainly enjoy baseball without understanding why the teams shift the infield or bat Castro 4th.

However, I don't expect my complaints about the weather to have much merit given I know very little about how clouds move or storms develop.

58 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

Not only that. But when you create 5000 stats, there will always be at least one that proves any point.  The stats become meaningless.

This is a commonly held position, but also a straw man argument. Do you have any examples of the analytics community sharply dividing on the analysis of certain players or strategies? More often than not the opposite happens. Because most baseball analysts are using similar statistics and similar statistical methodologies and best practices, there tends to exist more consensus, bordering on echo chamber risks, than bitter disagreements.

I can think of, in the last 15 years, maybe 3 or 4 hotly debated topics within the analytics community (aging curves, wOBA vs tAV, and a few other small ones). More often than not, new statistics created say similar things to the old ones -- xFIP, SIERA, and DRA all agree with FIP and even ERA that Clayton Kershaw is great.

This of course is not say that a fella, let's call him Hodd Tollandsworth, can't dig up weird, useless, esoteric stats to build his own narratives. If today he feels like Rojas is clutch sometimes but not all times, he'll dig up Rojas's batting average with runners in scoring position during the last 3 day games. That's a split of a split of a split -- all using a 200-year-old statistic from when the game was VERY different. Hodd's stats? Yeah, those are utterly useless and a stain in the general baseball conversation.

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You can believe in whatever stats you want to believe in, I don't care what you enjoy. I choose to not use them because if a guy has a good HNHZY+, it doesn't mean much to me.

I saw enough evidence of the faults in having so many stats when there became ways to prove any point about any player. You can use some 4 letter stat and show me why Player A is better than Player B. Then I can reference a five letter one with a plus sign next to it and prove the opposite.

Totally cool that some people like them and believe in them though.

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This game thread is action packed and the game is still hours away!

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1 hour ago, SonOfJack said:

I choose to not use them because if a guy has a good HNHZY+, it doesn't mean much to me.

It should, but not as important as his expected adjusted HNHZY-. Or even better, his Batting Leverage Opportunities With Massive Expectations, aka BLOWME. Very advanced stat there.

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33 minutes ago, legacyofCangelosi said:

Let’s go. Change up time 

Trevor Richards has entered the chat. 

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