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Marlins Trade Zac Gallen for Jazz Chisholm

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1 minute ago, Marlino said:

Does not explain why there are no .200 hitters on the All Star teams every year.

How many sub 700ops players have made the  AS roster? 

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11 hours ago, DTrain said:

Someday, a lot less baseball fans will evaluate hitters by Batting Average.  Batting Average: the true dinosaur of baseball statistics.  Someday. 

 

That will be a great day. 

You can defend the move all you want but you would be in denial if you think batting average is completely irrevelvant.  The low batting average at lower levels has to raise some alarms.  No one is expecting .300 but around the Mendoza line in the minors is cause for concern.  

PS: the true dinosaur is wins and losses 

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7 hours ago, canada-marlin24 said:

Alcantara has better stuff than Gallen but has a lot of work to do to become as polished of a pitcher. 

100% disagree. The strikeout % for Gallen is much better and he always generates so many more swings and misses. 

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19 hours ago, SongInTheAir said:

Got Jazz Chisholm back. He's hitting .204 in Double-A. 

Giant risk, with a giant reward.

 

They have to hope that he will learn to make consistent contact.  Great defender.  Great pop from his position.  Questionable contact rates.  

 

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7 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Giant risk, with a giant reward.

 

They have to hope that he will learn to make consistent contact.  Great defender.  Great pop from his position.  Questionable contact rates.  

 

They got him for a guy they took off the Cardinals' scrap heap though according to you so it is a can't lose kind of trade!

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2 hours ago, Marlino said:

Does not explain why there are no .200 hitters on the All Star teams every year.

Two of the best five offensive players in baseball right now are hitting below .300

 

2 of the 5 best in all of baseball. 

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10 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

They got him for a guy they took off the Cardinals' scrap heap though according to you so it is a can't lose kind of trade!

I dont think I said scrap heap, but more along the lines of something we had a lot of, which was pitching prospects.

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1 minute ago, DTrain said:

Two of the best five offensive players in baseball right now are hitting below .300

 

2 of the 5 best in all of baseball. 

Ya but not .204 BIG DIFFERENCE.

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Mike Trout is still a career .300 hitter, but since he is under it now that makes a nice point to your argument that batting average is entirely useless.  

There is a reason why a Rob Deer or Dave Kingman were never truly great offensive players. 

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2 hours ago, Lakeshow00 said:

You can defend the move all you want but you would be in denial if you think batting average is completely irrevelvant.  The low batting average at lower levels has to raise some alarms.  No one is expecting .300 but around the Mendoza line in the minors is cause for concern.  

PS: the true dinosaur is wins and losses 

I mean, before this year Chisholm had a .271 batting average in the minors. I know that this is not as high as the .278 batting average that Gallen gave up last year in AAA, but there should be no alarms going off about Gallen, right?

People are overreacting to Chisholm's bad batting average this year, even though better stats like wRC+ show him to be above average offensively this year despite it being a down year. It is the same way that they are overreacting to Gallen's success this year. Gallen has taken a big step forward, but his underlying stats like BB9 and opposing bapib show that he is still likely to end up as the mid to bottom rotation piece everyone expected when he was acquired in 2017. Marlins have enough pieces who have higher ceilings that he became expendable.

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