Marte traded to Athletics for Jesus Luzardo

[mystikol87]

4 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

I think they want someone more longterm.

Buxton is a free agent after 2022, still too soon for my tastes.

You like 'em young and controlled, @SilverBullet?

[Admin]

1 minute ago, SilverBullet said:

Which is why we need to use the pitching to get a bat next.

[1.618]

2 minutes ago, Valid said:

He's thrown all of 109 innings on the big-league level and has only thrown 38 this season. It's not like he has "mightily struggled" over the course of three full seasons, so we should probably relax with that.

You forgot to mention this: “Triple-A level in 2021, where he's sporting a 6.52 ERA and a bloated walk rate (more than one every other inning) after eight outings”

It’s still a viable risk based on injury and yes, he has mighty struggled or the A’s wouldn’t have traded him.   

Again I’m not saying the trade is good or bad but rather it’s a bit of a risk more than I’d be ok with IMO.  I already know all the Marte details at this point. 

[Admin]

Just now, mystikol87 said:

You like 'em young and controlled, @SilverBullet?

[marlinsmaniac]

6 minutes ago, FishFry said:

That makes sense and we could always counter trade for another CF like Eric mentioned.   But trading for a pitcher who has mightily struggled after breaking his finger is somewhat alarming for a player of Martes interest.  

I think the article and fantsy video does a good job at the pros and cons for each side because let’s face it, there are some major risks here based on that article that I wouldn’t have expected us to take for Marte.

 

 

You’ll see man. By next season, they’re going to eliminate his sinker and or teach him a cutter along with further developing his changeup and get him on track. His sinker and changeup are both pitches that have arm side run, so as long as the hitter can eliminate the curve out of his hand, they can pretty much keep their hands inside the ball and guess right for the most part.

Plus the A’s mismanaged him terribly. They rushed him and then threw him back and forth between the bullpen and rotation. Those who have played know that 90% of the game is played between the ears and that kind of shit fucks with your head. 

[SilverBullet]

The cons of getting Luzardo are pretty irrelevant when you see we only had to trade 2 months of Starling for him, not sure why anyone is looking that deep into this trade. Marte was on his way out in a season where we aren't contending. Luzardo is here for a long time with a high ceiling. 

[Hotcorner]

3 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/oakland-acquires-starling-marte-from-the-marlins-in-exchange-for-jesús-luzardo/

Analysis from Baseball America

"The 23-year-old was expected to be a key part of Oakland’s rotation this year but struggled mightily, pitching to a 6.87 ERA in 13 appearances, and missed time after breaking the pinkie on his pitching hand while playing video games in early May."

 

love him already

 

[marlinsmaniac]

2 minutes ago, Hotcorner said:

"The 23-year-old was expected to be a key part of Oakland’s rotation this year but struggled mightily, pitching to a 6.87 ERA in 13 appearances, and missed time after breaking the pinkie on his pitching hand while playing video games in early May."

 

love him already

 

All I hear is a buy low opportunity lol If he had seen immediate success he would have cost us a fortune.

[Iowa]

17 minutes ago, FishFry said:

You forgot to mention this: “Triple-A level in 2021, where he's sporting a 6.52 ERA and a bloated walk rate (more than one every other inning) after eight outings”

It’s still a viable risk based on injury and yes, he has mighty struggled or the A’s wouldn’t have traded him.   

Again I’m not saying the trade is good or bad but rather it’s a bit of a risk more than I’d be ok with IMO.  I already know all the Marte details at this point. 

These are the types of trades we need (have) to make tho.. if it works out, Ng is gonna look great

[Hotcorner]

3 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said:

All I hear is a buy low opportunity lol If he had seen immediate success he would have cost us a fortune.

yep for sure.  and my post wasn't even sarcasm!

[1.618]

7 minutes ago, Iowa said:

These are the types of trades we need (have) to make tho.. if it works out, Ng is gonna look great

 Im the biggest supporter of building around pitching first so in no way am I complaining about the trade.  

It’s just message board talk for me based on the pros and cons nothing more.  

 

[rmc523]

32 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said:

All I hear is a buy low opportunity lol If he had seen immediate success he would have cost us a fortune.

Or wouldn’t have been available at all…

[mk613]

1 hour ago, Hotcorner said:

"The 23-year-old was expected to be a key part of Oakland’s rotation this year but struggled mightily, pitching to a 6.87 ERA in 13 appearances, and missed time after breaking the pinkie on his pitching hand while playing video games in early May."

 

love him already

 

How the hell do your break your pinkie playing video games?

[rmc523]

Just now, mk613 said:

How the hell do your break your pinkie playing video games?

Smashing a controller in frustration maybe?

[mk613]

3 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

Smashing a controller in frustration maybe?

I mean even then your fingers are on the back of the controller what in the world would cause a pinkie break? Lmao 

[rmc523]

1 minute ago, mk613 said:

I mean even then your fingers are on the back of the controller what in the world would cause a pinkie break? Lmao 

Slamming it against a wall or something?   I’m just guessing lol

[marlinsmaniac]

1 minute ago, mk613 said:

I mean even then your fingers are on the back of the controller what in the world would cause a pinkie break? Lmao 

I don’t play a single game other than a crossword puzzle app I have and even I know there are PC games that don’t require a controller 😂

[mk613]

5 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said:

I don’t play a single game other than a crossword puzzle app I have and even I know there are PC games that don’t require a controller 😂

Controller, mouse,keyboard,touch screen in all of those  ways to play games I can’t envision how someone can break their pinkie finger 🤣

Edited July 28, 2021 by mk613

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[Michael]

2 hours ago, FishFry said:

You forgot to mention this: “Triple-A level in 2021, where he's sporting a 6.52 ERA and a bloated walk rate (more than one every other inning) after eight outings”

Was pitching in Las Vegas too which is ultra hitter friendly. The walks are a concern, but the ERA gets inflated a ton there.

[1.618]

3 minutes ago, Michael said:

Was pitching in Las Vegas too which is ultra hitter friendly. The walks are a concern, but the ERA gets inflated a ton there.

Alfaro will help on framing not worried at all.

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[AeroFishOne]

2 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

Which is why we need to use the pitching to get a bat next.

Don’t get me wrong I like the trade. Just surprised

[mk613]

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

 

Wouldn’t that be something if he resigned with us in the offseason. Pipe dream but hey nice to dream some times 

[Das Texan]

Real good get for the Marlins.

Told you Marte wasn't netting you a Joey Bart!  🤣

That said, real good get, significant risk and you really cant simply white wash what Luzardo has done this year as no big fucking deal.  The one concern is the similar one to a Brinson.  Why is he now in his third organization? 

But this is the kind of risk for a player you take with a rental.

Really cant say anything bad about this return at all!