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58 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

 

 

There's always a part of free agency that means overspending and outbidding other offers, that's not what I'm talking about. 

I'm saying no need to recklessly throw $325 million at Castellanos or whoever. If you really want the Marlins to do that then you have a problem.

Ya but nobody is recklessly throwing that kind of money at Nick.

But at the same time the inference was they shouldnt overpay for a free agent.

they NEED to overspend for a free agent or two for so many reasons.

They are fucked in that the position they need the most help at offers no real viable solutions, so......

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45 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

I agree. I'm saying they still have to make the right offers and there's always a chance even the right offers aren't enough. I'm pretty sure @taiwanmarlin wants them to spend like idiots to make sure they get a new free agent at every position.

I said they at least need to win one big bidding war and not for many. What's the right offer ? nobody knows because it's decided by the market itself. 

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5 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Ya but nobody is recklessly throwing that kind of money at Nick.

But at the same time the inference was they shouldnt overpay for a free agent.

they NEED to overspend for a free agent or two for so many reasons.

They are fucked in that the position they need the most help at offers no real viable solutions, so......

I agree with this. Wasn't clear on what I meant by overspending.

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2 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said:

I said they at least need to win one big bidding war and not for many. What's the right offer ? nobody knows because it's decided by the market itself. 

I agree but the Marlins can do everything right in free agency and still miss out at some points, that's my concern with free agency, there's always a major part of it that's out of the team's control.

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1 hour ago, Das Texan said:

Ya but nobody is recklessly throwing that kind of money at Nick.

But at the same time the inference was they shouldnt overpay for a free agent.

they NEED to overspend for a free agent or two for so many reasons.

They are fucked in that the position they need the most help at offers no real viable solutions, so......

I agree that given the team's history, they'll have to overpay for any FAs, but even then there's a limit to the overspending......to build on @SilverBullet's example, you don't give Castellanos 300M when his market is maybe half that.....it's market + 10% or something.

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10 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

I agree that given the team's history, they'll have to overpay for any FAs, but even then there's a limit to the overspending......to build on @SilverBullet's example, you don't give Castellanos 300M when his market is maybe half that.....it's market + 10% or something.

Of course. And odds are if they actually did market + 10% they'd be able to land at least one guy they are going for, assuming some other club doesn't overpay more than that. If we do see a target such as Castellanos sign elsewhere for a market deal, we can likely assume they didn't try hard if at all.

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3 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

Of course. And odds are if they actually did market + 10% they'd be able to land at least one guy they are going for, assuming some other club doesn't overpay more than that. If we do see a target such as Castellanos sign elsewhere for a market deal, we can likely assume they didn't try hard if at all.

Yup, exactly.

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11 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

I agree. I'm saying they still have to make the right offers and there's always a chance even the right offers aren't enough. I'm pretty sure @taiwanmarlin wants them to spend like idiots to make sure they get a new free agent at every position.

If only they made an effort last offseason, right?

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6 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/looking-for-a-match-in-a-willson-contreras-trade.html

Of course MLB have not a team named Marlins that needs Contreras very much, don't blame MLBTR because this team still not deserve the respect from the world. 

It’s not even really a respect thing. He has one more year of control, he’s not the player the marlins need at this point so it isn’t really likely that he’d even be a real target at this point.

Trading from the pitching for a good controllable catcher is a good idea but contreras isn’t controllable anymore. 

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48 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said:

It’s not even really a respect thing. He has one more year of control, he’s not the player the marlins need at this point so it isn’t really likely that he’d even be a real target at this point.

Trading from the pitching for a good controllable catcher is a good idea but contreras isn’t controllable anymore. 

This team should trying to acquire the best players and not the controllable players if they're determined to win.

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4 hours ago, marlinsmaniac said:

It’s not even really a respect thing. He has one more year of control, he’s not the player the marlins need at this point so it isn’t really likely that he’d even be a real target at this point.

Trading from the pitching for a good controllable catcher is a good idea but contreras isn’t controllable anymore. 

If they can work out an extension as part of the trade, that's one thing.  But yeah, with only a year left, he's not the guy.

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