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Before Max Meyer gets the call?  If Luzardo's next start looks bad, then he needs some AAA time and bring up Max

TEAM              W   L   ERA     G   GS   SV  IP      H   HR  BB  K    AVG   WHIP   GO/AO 

JAX (AAA)         1   0   1.23     3   3      0    14.2   5    0    3   20   .102    0.55    3.00

 

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And Lewin wastes away in AAA... I'd rather see him start at 1st over Aggy or Cooper and get ABs in the line-up over Soler and especially Garcia

                             AB   R   H    HR   RBI    SB     AVG   OBP   OPS

2022 MiLB Stats    49  10  15     3    14       0     .306   .397    .948

 

 

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23 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said:

Before Max Meyer gets the call?  If Luzardo's next start looks bad, then he needs some AAA time and bring up Max

TEAM              W   L   ERA     G   GS   SV  IP      H   HR  BB  K    AVG   WHIP   GO/AO 

JAX (AAA)         1   0   1.23     3   3      0    14.2   5    0    3   20   .102    0.55    3.00

 

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And Lewin wastes away in AAA... I'd rather see him start at 1st over Aggy or Cooper and get ABs in the line-up over Soler and especially Garcia

                             AB   R   H    HR   RBI    SB     AVG   OBP   OPS

2022 MiLB Stats    49  10  15     3    14       0     .306   .397    .948

 

 

If they bring Lewin up I'd rather Aguilar be traded instead of Cooper.  Cooper has a better bat and should be the DH while Lewin at first would be a sizeable upgrade defensively over Aguilar (and certainly over Cooper). Not playing Cooper at first at all also should cut down the injury risk since he's fragile as it is.

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1 minute ago, CyggyMarlin said:

It's a coin flip.  Do you let Luzardo struggle each start (if they are more like last night) or do you get Elieser to the 3rd time through and hope he goes 5 or 6

Ultimately you keep Luzardo as a starter. His ceiling is waaaaay higher than Elieser. Elieser can basically become this teams version of David Phelps. 

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6 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said:

It's a coin flip.  Do you let Luzardo struggle each start (if they are more like last night) or do you get Elieser to the 3rd time through and hope he goes 5 or 6

Or do you let Luzardo figure it out and give you that start he had in Anaheim?

 

Yes, he was hit hard last night at times, but don't forget, shifts plus other defensive miscues really screwed him, too.

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2 minutes ago, hovertical said:

Ultimately you keep Luzardo as a starter. His ceiling is waaaaay higher than Elieser. Elieser can basically become this teams version of David Phelps. 

But which one puts the team in the best position to win when he starts if we're "trying to win now"??  A struggling Lizard or Elieser getting a full start and hope the wheels don't come flying off after the 4th?  Ultimately, this is moot if Max and Cabrera both get called up at some point.

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2 minutes ago, Michael said:

Or do you let Luzard figure it out and give you that start he had in Anaheim?

 

Yes, he was hit hard last night at times, but don't forget, shifts plus other defensive miscues really screwed him, too.

I'd like to see more "Anaheim" starts, but I just don't see him stringing together quality starts.  He seems like that guy who has the stuff, but for some reason just can't turn the corner and maintain consistency... and do we just waste games hoping he figures it out?  In previous seasons, I would agree with putting him back out there repeatedly.

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8 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said:

But which one puts the team in the best position to win when he starts if we're "trying to win now"??  A struggling Lizard or Elieser getting a full start and hope the wheels don't come flying off after the 4th?  Ultimately, this is moot if Max and Cabrera both get called up at some point.

each of them has one had one shitty start you're just looking at who's had the more recent shitty start.  If you wanted to go by this process, the answer would actually be sending Trevor to the pen who has been pretty lousy in both of his starts.

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53 minutes ago, hovertical said:

each of them has one had one shitty start you're just looking at who's had the more recent shitty start.  If you wanted to go by this process, the answer would actually be sending Trevor to the pen who has been pretty lousy in both of his starts.

Yep, agreed. May as well send Sandy down, he sucked Opening Day.

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5 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said:

I'm not judging either one by just this season, but whatever.

yeah i'm just saying they need at least a handful of starts to see if they're actually shitty or not.  Trevor hasn't really been the same since the all-star break last year (or so it certainly seems).  Elieser is usually injured (and typically can't go three times through a lineup without being torched). Luzardo has talent and we've all seen flashes of it but he was awful last year. The likelihood all 3 will ball out is unlikely just as it is that all 3 will suck.  just gotta see a few more starts (and Elieser needs to stay healthy) before Don can make the absolute wrong decision and we can all bitch about it on here.

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2 hours ago, pollythewog said:

Starting pitching is the only thing not a problem on this team

Back end of bullpen could use an upgrade.  Either add Max to the back end of the bullpen or move Elieser Hernandez there and slide Max into the rotation.  

Also, you know might help the back end of the bullpen, Jordan Holloway!  FFS!!!  

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19 hours ago, Michael said:

Or do you let Luzardo figure it out and give you that start he had in Anaheim?

 

Yes, he was hit hard last night at times, but don't forget, shifts plus other defensive miscues really screwed him, too.

And, don't forget the fucking umpire with his inconsistent or consistently bad strike zone.  

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5 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

Back end of bullpen could use an upgrade.  Either add Max to the back end of the bullpen or move Elieser Hernandez there and slide Max into the rotation.  

Also, you know might help the back end of the bullpen, Jordan Holloway!  FFS!!!  

Why move Eliser though he looked fantastic his last start and it was legit.

 

I don’t get the Eliser hate here and on twitter 

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18 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

Why move Eliser though he looked fantastic his last start and it was legit.

 

I don’t get the Eliser hate here and on twitter 

Oh, I don't hate Eliser.  I think he's a very good pitcher.  I just think that with his injury history, and  3rd time through the lineup issues, his best bet at a long career is in the back end of a bullpen.  

Also, he's a little older and his stuff isn't as good as some of our young stud prospects coming up. We can't have 9 SP in the rotation. 

I think it's the best move for both him and the team in the long run.  However, I also have no problem running him out there every five days for the time being.  

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On 4/20/2022 at 5:06 PM, CyggyMarlin said:

But which one puts the team in the best position to win when he starts if we're "trying to win now"??  A struggling Lizard or Elieser getting a full start and hope the wheels don't come flying off after the 4th?  Ultimately, this is moot if Max and Cabrera both get called up at some point.

You have to give them time to sort themselves out. This isn't the last year of this team's contention. It's the first. They need to know what they have.

It makes perfect sense to keep Max in the minors. Lewin... Maybe not. But they need to make a trade first. Likely if Lewin keeps tearing then Aguilar gets traded at the deadline for bullpen help.

Also, we haven't had a injured SP yet. Once that happens, they can revisit Max

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