CyggyMarlin Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) Before Max Meyer gets the call? If Luzardo's next start looks bad, then he needs some AAA time and bring up Max TEAM W L ERA G GS SV IP H HR BB K AVG WHIP GO/AO JAX (AAA) 1 0 1.23 3 3 0 14.2 5 0 3 20 .102 0.55 3.00 ---------------- And Lewin wastes away in AAA... I'd rather see him start at 1st over Aggy or Cooper and get ABs in the line-up over Soler and especially Garcia AB R H HR RBI SB AVG OBP OPS 2022 MiLB Stats 49 10 15 3 14 0 .306 .397 .948 Edited April 20, 2022 by CyggyMarlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfJack Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 He should be in the bigs already. Could be some service time manipulation going on perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Max should be up but not in place of Luzardo. He needs to be in the bigs and sort any of his stuff out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said: Before Max Meyer gets the call? If Luzardo's next start looks bad, then he needs some AAA time and bring up Max TEAM W L ERA G GS SV IP H HR BB K AVG WHIP GO/AO JAX (AAA) 1 0 1.23 3 3 0 14.2 5 0 3 20 .102 0.55 3.00 ---------------- And Lewin wastes away in AAA... I'd rather see him start at 1st over Aggy or Cooper and get ABs in the line-up over Soler and especially Garcia AB R H HR RBI SB AVG OBP OPS 2022 MiLB Stats 49 10 15 3 14 0 .306 .397 .948 If they bring Lewin up I'd rather Aguilar be traded instead of Cooper. Cooper has a better bat and should be the DH while Lewin at first would be a sizeable upgrade defensively over Aguilar (and certainly over Cooper). Not playing Cooper at first at all also should cut down the injury risk since he's fragile as it is. Edited April 20, 2022 by hovertical grammar is fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 If last year were any indication, they'll wait until they're well out of it/it's too late for reinforcements to make any meaningful impact to keep us in contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Michael said: Max should be up but not in place of Luzardo. He needs to be in the bigs and sort any of his stuff out. That brings up another conversation. If Max gets called up, who leaves the rotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, CyggyMarlin said: That brings up another conversation. If Max gets called up, who leaves the rotation? Elieser, bullpen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, Michael said: Elieser, bullpen. It's a coin flip. Do you let Luzardo struggle each start (if they are more like last night) or do you get Elieser to the 3rd time through and hope he goes 5 or 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, CyggyMarlin said: It's a coin flip. Do you let Luzardo struggle each start (if they are more like last night) or do you get Elieser to the 3rd time through and hope he goes 5 or 6 Ultimately you keep Luzardo as a starter. His ceiling is waaaaay higher than Elieser. Elieser can basically become this teams version of David Phelps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said: It's a coin flip. Do you let Luzardo struggle each start (if they are more like last night) or do you get Elieser to the 3rd time through and hope he goes 5 or 6 Or do you let Luzardo figure it out and give you that start he had in Anaheim? Yes, he was hit hard last night at times, but don't forget, shifts plus other defensive miscues really screwed him, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, hovertical said: Ultimately you keep Luzardo as a starter. His ceiling is waaaaay higher than Elieser. Elieser can basically become this teams version of David Phelps. But which one puts the team in the best position to win when he starts if we're "trying to win now"?? A struggling Lizard or Elieser getting a full start and hope the wheels don't come flying off after the 4th? Ultimately, this is moot if Max and Cabrera both get called up at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Michael said: Or do you let Luzard figure it out and give you that start he had in Anaheim? Yes, he was hit hard last night at times, but don't forget, shifts plus other defensive miscues really screwed him, too. I'd like to see more "Anaheim" starts, but I just don't see him stringing together quality starts. He seems like that guy who has the stuff, but for some reason just can't turn the corner and maintain consistency... and do we just waste games hoping he figures it out? In previous seasons, I would agree with putting him back out there repeatedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said: But which one puts the team in the best position to win when he starts if we're "trying to win now"?? A struggling Lizard or Elieser getting a full start and hope the wheels don't come flying off after the 4th? Ultimately, this is moot if Max and Cabrera both get called up at some point. each of them has one had one shitty start you're just looking at who's had the more recent shitty start. If you wanted to go by this process, the answer would actually be sending Trevor to the pen who has been pretty lousy in both of his starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 53 minutes ago, hovertical said: each of them has one had one shitty start you're just looking at who's had the more recent shitty start. If you wanted to go by this process, the answer would actually be sending Trevor to the pen who has been pretty lousy in both of his starts. Yep, agreed. May as well send Sandy down, he sucked Opening Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 I'm not judging either one by just this season, but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said: I'm not judging either one by just this season, but whatever. yeah i'm just saying they need at least a handful of starts to see if they're actually shitty or not. Trevor hasn't really been the same since the all-star break last year (or so it certainly seems). Elieser is usually injured (and typically can't go three times through a lineup without being torched). Luzardo has talent and we've all seen flashes of it but he was awful last year. The likelihood all 3 will ball out is unlikely just as it is that all 3 will suck. just gotta see a few more starts (and Elieser needs to stay healthy) before Don can make the absolute wrong decision and we can all bitch about it on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Maybe Max is having cell phone service issues and that's why he hasn't received the call yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 There’s no one max can or should replace right now. There will be injuries and he will get his time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Starting pitching is the only thing not a problem on this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 hours ago, pollythewog said: Starting pitching is the only thing not a problem on this team Back end of bullpen could use an upgrade. Either add Max to the back end of the bullpen or move Elieser Hernandez there and slide Max into the rotation. Also, you know might help the back end of the bullpen, Jordan Holloway! FFS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 19 hours ago, Michael said: Or do you let Luzardo figure it out and give you that start he had in Anaheim? Yes, he was hit hard last night at times, but don't forget, shifts plus other defensive miscues really screwed him, too. And, don't forget the fucking umpire with his inconsistent or consistently bad strike zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rydawg said: Back end of bullpen could use an upgrade. Either add Max to the back end of the bullpen or move Elieser Hernandez there and slide Max into the rotation. Also, you know might help the back end of the bullpen, Jordan Holloway! FFS!!! Why move Eliser though he looked fantastic his last start and it was legit. I don’t get the Eliser hate here and on twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, pollythewog said: Why move Eliser though he looked fantastic his last start and it was legit. I don’t get the Eliser hate here and on twitter Oh, I don't hate Eliser. I think he's a very good pitcher. I just think that with his injury history, and 3rd time through the lineup issues, his best bet at a long career is in the back end of a bullpen. Also, he's a little older and his stuff isn't as good as some of our young stud prospects coming up. We can't have 9 SP in the rotation. I think it's the best move for both him and the team in the long run. However, I also have no problem running him out there every five days for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Not that I consider pitcher wins a stat to focus on, but Elieser has 4 wins vs Philly and 4 wins vs everyone else combined. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 5:06 PM, CyggyMarlin said: But which one puts the team in the best position to win when he starts if we're "trying to win now"?? A struggling Lizard or Elieser getting a full start and hope the wheels don't come flying off after the 4th? Ultimately, this is moot if Max and Cabrera both get called up at some point. You have to give them time to sort themselves out. This isn't the last year of this team's contention. It's the first. They need to know what they have. It makes perfect sense to keep Max in the minors. Lewin... Maybe not. But they need to make a trade first. Likely if Lewin keeps tearing then Aguilar gets traded at the deadline for bullpen help. Also, we haven't had a injured SP yet. Once that happens, they can revisit Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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