hovertical Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: Sorry guys, just Jayson the dream. Just don't take your act national Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 2 hours ago, hovertical said: This offseason, trea turner should be priority numero uno if they were ballsy to put a Werth contract on the books - in particular with base stealing being easier than ever this upcoming season - guys who can get on base and who have speed should have some pretty damn good seasons. Good thing we have one of the slowest teams out there aside from Berti and Jazz. I don't disagree with you (and feel free to change Turner to literally anyone of Correa, Xander, Swanson, and Nimmo). I'd love a larger $110m budget. But to suggest a different "Werth" contract path - Edwin Diaz. And yes I am an anti-signing expensive RP guys, but for *this* team nothing makes sense so do the opposite when things aren't working. The thought process here is, he is very impactful (2.5+ WAR) and his contract is 50-66% less overall than any of those premium bats. He is an exciting player - the trumpets play in Miami for sure. That is extremely important for Bruce I imagine on $ and fun, including moving a top 10 RP at the deadline if the team sucks in say July 2025 should be easier if the ripcord of blowing it up again is pulled. I think Kim's pitch should be let's spend a little for 3 years and blow this shit up summer 2025 if we still suck. A year of Diaz is a lot easier to move than 5-7 years of one of these bats, etc. Don't create another Stanton situation unless you're committed to $125-150m payrolls in a few years to account for that. The current team is a dozen under .500 in 1 run games and clearly, and I'd say 6 of the best 7 players coming back next year are SP. Make the games shorter. I think we need to accept no matter what they do the offense is going to be average at best, so just keep doubling down on the pitching and make that incredibly special. Don't trade Pablo. Let the SP rip as literally everyone could be taking a step forward plus Eury/Eder are coming. Keep Floro also and trade for another reliever with some of Cooper/Rojas. For the bats? Plant the flag and move out the farm - Salas/Miller or Millbrandt/J. Sanchez/top 15-25 guy for 1, and Cappe or Watson/Fulton/Lewis/top 15-25 guy for 2. These should get them pretty exciting players as these packages are not a joke at all even if much lower than the Yelich trade. The Marlins don't need any of these players as they'd still have plenty of arms and presumably many longterm bats. Or at least guys with service time (Fortes, Jazz, Groshans, Bleday, and Garcia, Berry, new arrivals, etc.). Plus likely another college bat pick 1-8 in 2023. They could do it for $90m bucks in 2023 and get to a 40 WAR team projection. Which includes a top 5-7 overall pitching staff. With at least $25m of that disappearing into 2024 to pay for internal arbitration raises and another player. I'm not sure they can do much better than that absent really upping payroll, or trading Eury for a legitimate star bat which is a scary move. We'll see. I hope you are right as Trea is PERFECT, but I'm sensing it's going to be something like this or Rizzo coming home. A name that only costs the 2-4 year contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, MarlinsLou said: We'll see. I hope you are right as Trea is PERFECT, but I'm sensing it's going to be something like this or Rizzo coming home. A name that only costs the 2-4 year contract. I'd prefer Trea over Correa or anyone else as he's been more consistent and I feel he's going to be even better with rule changes next year. I won't complain if Correa was signed instead (unless he signs for more than Trea gets). I HAVE to believe Avi won't be THIS bad again next year. The dream is they get Turner and Nimmo (who actually stays healthy for the first time) and they also trade for a bat (who won't have to be as good as Reynolds if they sign the first two dudes). None of it will happen though lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 20 hours ago, hovertical said: That's way more explosive than anything the Marlins have done in two years. The yearly implosion doesn't count? 2 hours ago, hovertical said: Yeah but at least we'd have enjoyed the offseason? I'll take that over zero enjoyment of anything Marlins-related lately. 33 minutes ago, hovertical said: I'd prefer Trea over Correa or anyone else as he's been more consistent and I feel he's going to be even better with rule changes next year. I won't complain if Correa was signed instead (unless he signs for more than Trea gets). I HAVE to believe Avi won't be THIS bad again next year. The dream is they get Turner and Nimmo (who actually stays healthy for the first time) and they also trade for a bat (who won't have to be as good as Reynolds if they sign the first two dudes). None of it will happen though lol Just sign someone noteworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 3 hours ago, rmc523 said: The yearly implosion doesn't count? implosion is not the same as explosion! stop holding it in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 5:16 PM, SilverBullet said: "Should" she be fired? Probably. But to think she'd really be let go at this point would just be wishful thinking. What's an average amount of time that a GM gets to run a team? Or better said how many actually get canned after just two years? If the owner truly believes they made the right hire then the GM is a job that warrants enough time to be allowed to ride out all the twists and turns it can bring. Again, don't reset the clock and definitely blame her for every failure since she arrived but firing her now wasn't realistic. The shock value and the urgency would have been nice sure but y'all know Sherman isn't that impulsive. This is about where I'm at with her. I know that there is almost zero chance of her being fired this offseason barring her going and pissing in Bruce's generic brand cornflakes. Should she be fired though? Yep - just as you, and a lot of us, have said. It has nothing to do with "failing" to sign a big name player - she just doesn't seem to have a clue on how to run a team on a day-to-day basis. Honestly, if she had never spoken on air, I'd probably be blaming Bruce almost entirely but man, the stuff she has confidently expressed to all the fans shows she doesn't have the slightest clue about her own players even. This is why I have no faith in her turning this team around. It's like the "show-me" Soler signing. if she was told to go out and spend a certain amount - why not do it on a player that better fits the teams needs??? Nobody is getting hard over a Soler signing. Then again, she thought Soler was a high obp% guy for some bizarre reason too so literally wtf is she doing or looking at before negotiating with players? Anyway, I'm pretty sure she won't be fired for at LEAST a couple more seasons - maybe even 3 seasons. I think she'll be kept around just long enough until they officially declare another rebuild and then bring in a new GM/Mgr yet again to helm that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Maybe she’ll take the muts GM opening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, pollythewog said: Maybe she’ll take the muts GM opening! i thought we already owned the mutts too? so i'm confused if that's an inter-office move or what 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 17 hours ago, pollythewog said: Maybe she’ll take the muts GM opening! They don't have a GM opening. It's a team president opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, rmc523 said: They don't have a GM opening. It's a team president opening. Sounds good, she should take it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 3 hours ago, rmc523 said: They don't have a GM opening. It's a team president opening. Hope she gets elected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 20 hours ago, hovertical said: i thought we already owned the mutts too? so i'm confused if that's an inter-office move or what She'd have to wait for someone to call and tell her she could move offices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 2 hours ago, pollythewog said: Hope she gets elected! She has my vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Ng would be screwed if she ever went on one of those game shows where you can "phone-a-friend" to help out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 21 hours ago, SonOfJack said: Sounds good, she should take it My school is looking for a new PTA president, you think she should take that job too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: My school is looking for a new PTA president, you think she should take that job too? Works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Setting us up for an uneventful off-season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 hours ago, SonOfJack said: Setting us up for an uneventful off-season. That is an awful thing for her to say... Like how fucking tone deaf. If she really believes that there is talent in this team to win 90+ games, then she's an idiot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 "Hope" to be better next year. Oof. lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, Entendu said: That is an awful thing for her to say... Like how fucking tone deaf. If she really believes that there is talent in this team to win 90+ games, then she's an idiot Yep. Again, she has zero clue on how to build a roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 She can't be serious. Game 161 and she's still saying this crap? Stop giving her chances to speak. She's worked in front offices long enough that it's impossible that she's this clueless over this much time. This has to be her God awful way of deflecting the media/the broadcasters/the public/etc. She can't really be this dumb. There's no way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 We are so gonna run it back with basically the same roster. A few clearance aisle additions perhaps but otherwise mostly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 34 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: She can't be serious. Game 161 and she's still saying this crap? Stop giving her chances to speak. She's worked in front offices long enough that it's impossible that she's this clueless over this much time. This has to be her God awful way of deflecting the media/the broadcasters/the public/etc. She can't really be this dumb. There's no way. Has she proven otherwise to this point? She's been here for 2+ years and been saying this shit again and again and again. We don't even need to see next season play out to determine her effectiveness in her role. The moves, or lack thereof, during this offseason is all we need to see to know if she's as dumb as she comes across or is actually qualified to be a GM. I hope she proves me wrong and I mean that with all sincerity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, hovertical said: Has she proven otherwise to this point? She's been here for 2+ years and been saying this shit again and again and again. We don't even need to see next season play out to determine her effectiveness in her role. The moves, or lack thereof, during this offseason is all we need to see to know if she's as dumb as she comes across or is actually qualified to be a GM. I hope she proves me wrong and I mean that with all sincerity. No I know exactly what you're saying. I'm just at the point where it's like how is this even possible? She's worked in multiple front offices for years and years, she has to know the words she's saying are just stupid. She's seemed so clueless that I'm like there's no way it can be true. It's comical at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, SonOfJack said: We are so gonna run it back with basically the same roster. A few clearance aisle additions perhaps but otherwise mostly the same. This would literally be the worst possible scenario. I'm wondering now... she was with the Yankees and Dodgers, is she so conditioned to being in successful front offices that she is clueless because she doesn't know what to do with a failure of a team? Like they say a successful player doesn't make a good coach because they never dealt with real failure... maybe she has no experience running a bad team and thus the Marlins are a massive hurdle for her? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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