Luzardo still not throwing, expected to miss extended time

[SonOfJack]

 

[hovertical]

we already know this is gonna be TJ #2....they'll just keep waiting until it becomes end of July/August and then he'll have TJ again and be out until 2024 - yeah, I know, i'm pessimistic on a good day.

[Michael]

51 minutes ago, hovertical said:

we already know this is gonna be TJ #2....they'll just keep waiting until it becomes end of July/August and then he'll have TJ again and be out until 2024 - yeah, I know, i'm pessimistic on a good day.

No that's about right ... 😐

 

[Michael]

They're planning on a possible bullpen game again for Luzardo's spot.

 

What happened to our "incredible pitching depth"???

[SonOfJack]

3 minutes ago, Michael said:

They're planning on a possible bullpen game again for Luzardo's spot.

 

What happened to our "incredible pitching depth"???

Kim Ng loves bullpen games. And before someone says Don does, he didn't do this regularly before she was hired.

[hovertical]

3 minutes ago, Michael said:

They're planning on a possible bullpen game again for Luzardo's spot.

 

What happened to our "incredible pitching depth"???

it's in the minors keeping the farm ranking bolstered. 

kidding aside, this is why you always sign a vet innings guy

[hovertical]

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

Kim Ng loves bullpen games. And before someone says Don does, he didn't do this regularly before she was hired.

yep. he has to make do with the roster he's given. she probably thinks it's something clever that the Rays org would do

[Rydawg]

8 minutes ago, Michael said:

They're planning on a possible bullpen game again for Luzardo's spot.

 

What happened to our "incredible pitching depth"???

I don't understand why.  Cabrera is clearly ready.  He's up too 100 pitches in Jax. This is such bullshit.  

[SonOfJack]

1 minute ago, Rydawg said:

I don't understand why.  Cabrera is clearly ready.  He's up too 100 pitches in Jax. This is such bullshit.  

She keeps doing the same exact thing

[Rydawg]

Would we have been better off with Mas buying the team, keeping the core of Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, and J.T together, and have them rebuild the pitching staff?  We already had Pablo and Rogers in house.  

Have those of you that insisted it was the only way to go changed your minds or have had second thoughts?  I'm genuinely curious.  I mean here we are in year 5 and still in rebuild mode. 

 

[Michael]

7 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

Would we have been better off with Mas buying the team, keeping the core of Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, and J.T together, and have them rebuild the pitching staff?  We already had Pablo and Rogers in house.  

Have those of you that insisted it was the only way to go changed your minds or have had second thoughts?  I'm genuinely curious.  I mean here we are in year 5 and still in rebuild mode. 

 

I still think it was the right thing to move Stanton and to a lesser extent Ozuna. Should have kept JT and Yelich but eh.

They built up the farm, that was good. They have since squandered it.

[hovertical]

1 hour ago, Michael said:

I still think it was the right thing to move Stanton and to a lesser extent Ozuna. Should have kept JT and Yelich but eh.

They built up the farm, that was good. They have since squandered it.

Yeah JT and Yelich were the kind of guys you build your offense around (JT especially since hitting catchers who can also play defense are like frickin' unicorns and we had the best in baseball - and we still didn't get him back when he was available a 2nd time)

That Stanton contract needed to go at any cost. Ozuna could have gone as well - he was very replaceable.  Cutting bait on ALL the hitters was fucking stupid then and stupid now.

[LordMagnus]

2 hours ago, Rydawg said:

Would we have been better off with Mas buying the team, keeping the core of Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, and J.T together, and have them rebuild the pitching staff?  We already had Pablo and Rogers in house.  

Have those of you that insisted it was the only way to go changed your minds or have had second thoughts?  I'm genuinely curious.  I mean here we are in year 5 and still in rebuild mode. 

 

The real problem was trading all those guys and getting almost jack shit in return.

[SonOfJack]

13 minutes ago, LordMagnus said:

The real problem was trading all those guys and getting almost jack shit in return.

Well that's just a lie.

Stanton was to escape that monstrous contract that would've crippled the franchise. The players coming back were immaterial.

They got Alcantara and Gallen for Ozuna which turned out to be Sandy and Jazz. I'd say those two alone are a lot more than "almost jack shit"

The Yelich deal was a disaster and the JT one seems to be one as well.

[LordMagnus]

20 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

Well that's just a lie.

Stanton was to escape that monstrous contract that would've crippled the franchise. The players coming back were immaterial.

They got Alcantara and Gallen for Ozuna which turned out to be Sandy and Jazz. I'd say those two alone are a lot more than "almost jack shit"

The Yelich deal was a disaster and the JT one seems to be one as well.

Yes, they got Sandy and a piece they moved for Jazz.  Hence I said almost Jack shit, not jack shit.

So three out of four trades are complete disasters.  No, I didn't expect to get much for Stanton either, but you can't miss like the Marlins always seem to do. The Ozuna trade is the exception.

[Rydawg]

56 minutes ago, LordMagnus said:

The real problem was trading all those guys and getting almost jack shit in return.

Well, that's part of the risk.  At the time,  everyone that was all in on the rebuild was talking about a 3 to 5 year rebuild.  I said that if we miss on the trades, the rebuild would be more like 5 to 7 years.  It looks like that's where we are now.  

So, knowing that missing in trades is likely, because prospects are so fickle, having to choose again, would you still choose the rebuild?

Edited May 29, 2022 by Rydawg

[LordMagnus]

Just now, Rydawg said:

Well, that's part of the risk.  At the time,  everyone that was all in on the rebuild was talking about a 3 to 5 year rebuild.  I said that if we miss on the trades, the rebuild would be more like 5 to 7 years.  It looks like that's where we are now.  

So, knowing that missing in trades, which is always likely because prospects are so fickle, having to choose again, would you still choose the rebuild?

I mean its a little bias to ask after the fact, don't you think?  A better front office may have gotten more in return.

[canada-marlin24]

Why am I not surprised. Classic “forearm strain.”

 

What a shame - it looked like he was finally getting it together. 

[SirFishFan]

Why does it feel like the Marlins have been in the midst of a 3-5 year rebuild for the past 15 years?

It’s just like a never ending cycle of 5 year rebuilds that when the five years end a new 5 year rebuild immediately begins. It just feels sometimes like there is no hope for brighter days ahead because when those days come, all the best players in the organization will probably be traded away and we’ll have a new crop of prospects just 2-3 years away and then repeating the cycle of perpetual frustration as a Marlins fan. 😂

[jsprt14]

1 hour ago, SirFishFan said:

Why does it feel like the Marlins have been in the midst of a 3-5 year rebuild for the past 15 years?

It’s just like a never ending cycle of 5 year rebuilds that when the five years end a new 5 year rebuild immediately begins. It just feels sometimes like there is no hope for brighter days ahead because when those days come, all the best players in the organization will probably be traded away and we’ll have a new crop of prospects just 2-3 years away and then repeating the cycle of perpetual frustration as a Marlins fan. 😂

You are right. There is no hope for this franchise.

[SirFishFan]

25 minutes ago, jsprt14 said:

You are right. There is no hope for this franchise.

I'm not checking out yet, and realistically probably never will completely check out. I'm just tired of constantly hearing about rebuilding year after year, when the whole point of rebuilding is to eventually build something, but when the rebuilding keep going back to the drawing board every few seasons, I'm just tired and frustrated and bored.

 

Of course, a nice 11 game winning streak by the Marlins, would make me feel a whole lot better about this situation. 😂

[SilverBullet]

On 5/29/2022 at 5:04 PM, Rydawg said:

having to choose again, would you still choose the rebuild?

Yes because this implies ownership was gonna take the 2017 team and put serious money into them. That wasn't happening so rebuilding was probably still the best option. As someone said they've squandered it after that but I don't think rebuilding was the issue and to be fair, it's only relatively recently that it's been squandered. They did pretty well to a point. The issue has been not been able to advance past that point the last couple of seasons. 

Maybe a better question would be, take us to the end of the 2020 season and how would we change things starting then because I think when Hill left and Ng came in that's a pretty good place to question what went wrong. Instead of starting over, what should have been done differently after 2020?

[SonOfJack]

Just now, SilverBullet said:

Maybe a better question would be, take us to the end of the 2020 season and how would we change things starting then because I think when Hill left and Ng came in that's a pretty good place to question what went wrong. Instead of starting over, what should have been done differently after 2020?

Should have retained Hill

[SilverBullet]

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

Should have retained Hill

Yeah I realized that's basically what my wording implied but I am curious, if Hill still goes and Ng still comes in, there still has to be a way to rewrite this better even with the same front office.

[TaiwanMarlins]

38 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

Should have retained Hill

We already know Sherman is a cheap ass when he didn't want to pay Hill.