Michael Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Admin Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Marlins collected valuable information from this signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, SonOfJack said: Marlins collected valuable information from this signing Kim is monitoring your discontent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, hovertical said: Kim is monitoring your discontent She was interested in this free agent and remains interested in other free agents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Just now, SonOfJack said: She was interested in this free agent and remains interested in other free agents You hush now Craig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 What exactly was Kim supposed to do in this situation? Its not like Bruce Sherman was within 100 million of this contract offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Just now, Das Texan said: What exactly was Kim supposed to do in this situation? Its not like Bruce Sherman was within 100 million of this contract offer. Obviously Correa was never a target due to Bruce's wallet, you don't need to jump to her defense here. We're playing around since that's how she is with every signing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Just now, SonOfJack said: Obviously Correa was never a target due to Bruce's wallet, you don't need to jump to her defense here. We're playing around since that's how she is with every signing. She does need to figure something out though and rapidly. It would be nice to solve at least one major issue on this roster headed into Spring Training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I would love to know if Kim thought about Correa and asked Bruce if he would consider it. Maybe she's smarter than him??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: I would love to know if Kim thought about Correa and asked Bruce if he would consider it. Maybe she's smarter than him??? I honestly believe both of them are ill-suited for their current roles which will be why they'll both be in those roles for another decade at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valid Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, hovertical said: I honestly believe both of them are ill-suited for their current roles which will be why they'll both be in those roles for another decade at least. To be perfectly honest, I'm not even sure it matters who fills Kim's role as long as Sherman is at the helm. Yeah it would definitely be nice to have a GM who has some sort of a clue (like Beinfest), but at the end of the day, Sherman will never spend enough money to ensure that this team is consistently competitive. Maybe they'll have a lucky year somewhere, but sustainability just isn't happening under this regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 35 minutes ago, Valid said: To be perfectly honest, I'm not even sure it matters who fills Kim's role as long as Sherman is at the helm. Yeah it would definitely be nice to have a GM who has some sort of a clue (like Beinfest), but at the end of the day, Sherman will never spend enough money to ensure that this team is consistently competitive. Maybe they'll have a lucky year somewhere, but sustainability just isn't happening under this regime. If the owner sucks then it's even more important to have a GM who knows what they're doing. A great GM can help overcome the limitations that a bad owner brings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: If the owner sucks then it's even more important to have a GM who knows what they're doing. A great GM can help overcome the limitations that a bad owner brings. Having even an average GM probably nets the Marlins 8 more wins or so over the last two seasons combined due to her leaving the team shorthanded for long stretches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, hovertical said: due to her leaving the team shorthanded for long stretches. That was Caroline O'Connor's fault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, SilverBullet said: If the owner sucks then it's even more important to have a GM who knows what they're doing. A great GM can help overcome the limitations that a bad owner brings. Look at the Rays - small payrolls, but great FO that overcomes that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valid Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 6 hours ago, SilverBullet said: If the owner sucks then it's even more important to have a GM who knows what they're doing. A great GM can help overcome the limitations that a bad owner brings. For a short stint, yes. But in terms of prolonged success? You need an owner who spends money to actually keep the guys you draft/acquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valid Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, rmc523 said: Look at the Rays - small payrolls, but great FO that overcomes that. The Rays have been unable to get over the hump specifically because their owner doesn't spend money, so if anything that example actually proves the point that you need an owner who isn't a skinflint. The Rays might have multiple WS titles now if they actually spent money. The Marlins have had plenty of elite talent come through their franchise over the last two decades, ranging from Cabrera to Hanley to Stanton, so it's not like the FO wasn't able to identify talent. They were just a.) unable to keep that talent because they didn't want to pay the money required to do so (e.g. Cabrera), or b.) they were unable to put the necessary pieces around said talent to actually win because they didn't want to spend. Beinfest, for instance, did a terrific job here in 2003 and actually wasn't bad during his stint here. Aside from one year of Delgado, Loria just didn't spend enough to actually put the team into legitimate contention. Edited December 15, 2022 by Valid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 13 hours ago, Valid said: The Rays have been unable to get over the hump specifically because their owner doesn't spend money, so if anything that example actually proves the point that you need an owner who isn't a skinflint. The Rays might have multiple WS titles now if they actually spent money. The Marlins have had plenty of elite talent come through their franchise over the last two decades, ranging from Cabrera to Hanley to Stanton, so it's not like the FO wasn't able to identify talent. They were just a.) unable to keep that talent because they didn't want to pay the money required to do so (e.g. Cabrera), or b.) they were unable to put the necessary pieces around said talent to actually win because they didn't want to spend. Beinfest, for instance, did a terrific job here in 2003 and actually wasn't bad during his stint here. Aside from one year of Delgado, Loria just didn't spend enough to actually put the team into legitimate contention. It's a fair point about the Rays not making it all the way because of cheapness.... BUT I'd rather have the Rays' recent track record of regular season success with cheap payrolls, and at least have chances to contend in the playoffs vs. our cheap payrolls with a decade+ of losing. It also seems like our luck of finding homegrown (bats/lineup) superstars like Hanley, Stanton, etc, has run out recently. And compounding it, every bat target, whether FA or trade, seems to fall on their face when they get here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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