Iowa Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 12:17 PM, Das Texan said: I'm going to vomit if the only real pitcher my Cardinals sign is Aaron Nola. Nobody cares 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, hovertical said: That's the kinda shit that got him canned the first time around too - but it was something about Koehler I want to say? But that's why I love the man....and he ain't wrong either. Jazz can't say a goddamn thing either because THut played in MLB. The dude needs to put up superstar production if he wants to be a superstar diva. If he does that, I don't care about the antics. Right now we just get the antics with half a season of ok play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperDeckFishTank Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, hovertical said: That's the kinda shit that got him canned the first time around too - but it was something about Koehler I want to say? But that's why I love the man....and he ain't wrong either. Jazz can't say a goddamn thing either because THut played in MLB. I think it was his 'negativity' especially concerning the new stadium. i heard about the players whining as well. loria didnt like any criticisms regarding the stadium. this was back when the walls were farther back and more pitcher friendly. whenever tommy mentioned something about the stadium dimensions or the homerun sculpture or anything, it offended loria. there were reports of players that also complained about his 'negativity' but hutton was here for decades and the 'negativity' to the players was never an issue till then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) Edited November 8, 2023 by rmc523 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Iowa said: Nobody cares Cardinal fans care fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 24 minutes ago, Das Texan said: Cardinal fans care fwiw. And as you're the only one here, only you care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 The option he declined was 9 mil, they turned down the chance to give him 20 so I guess we need to estimate something between that. 3/45? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, Admin said: The option he declined was 9 mil, they turned down the chance to give him 20 so I guess we need to estimate something between that. 3/45? Actually $13M he declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Michael said: Actually $13M he declined. Add it to the list @SilverBullet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Michael said: Actually $13M he declined. no, he actually declined the 9 mil option, which was ALWAYS happening unless he could pretty much not play baseball at any effective level anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Das Texan said: no, he actually declined the 9 mil option, which was ALWAYS happening unless he could pretty much not play baseball at any effective level anymore. $13M. There was a $4M incentive if he reached enough PA in 2023. He did. So, $13M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, Michael said: $13M. There was a $4M incentive if he reached enough PA in 2023. He did. So, $13M. I believe he already received those incentives..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, Das Texan said: I believe he already received those incentives..... i.e. they were to be earned in 2023 for what he did in 2023, not sure if there were any incentives for 2024 performanace, but you cant assume those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 54 minutes ago, Das Texan said: i.e. they were to be earned in 2023 for what he did in 2023, not sure if there were any incentives for 2024 performanace, but you cant assume those. It takes two seconds to find this shit, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 So is Bendix one of the ones throwing up or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dix Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 35 minutes ago, SilverBullet said: So is Bendix one of the ones throwing up or not? When he looked at Bruce's 2024 payroll ceiling - probably 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Sign him! They should have done it last year and now they have a chance. Especially losing Sandy for the year, they need another ace-level guy that’s pitched in big games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SilverBullet said: So is Bendix one of the ones throwing up or not? According to article 5 of the C.O.L., he’s the one who spread it around in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said: According to article 5 of the C.O.L., he’s the one who spread it around in the first place. Like a typical school child who goes into school sick when he should have stayed home and now half the class and the teacher are sick by the end of the week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valid Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Admin said: The option he declined was 9 mil, they turned down the chance to give him 20 so I guess we need to estimate something between that. 3/45? Eh definitely not into giving Soler three years. If that's what it will take, let him walk. I would be okay with something like 2/25 (which he almost certainly won't take). Maybe 2/30, but even that's pushing it, given the fact that he has kind of been an every-other-year guy for a while now and can't play the field. Edited November 9, 2023 by Valid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 14 hours ago, Michael said: It takes two seconds to find this shit, man. Sportstrac has the opposite, that he earned the money in 2023 based on things he did in 2023. Which is how it normally is end of day. If the salary in 2024 was tied to 2023, then that truly was a weird contract on many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, Das Texan said: If the salary in 2024 was tied to 2023, then that truly was a weird contract on many levels. They call that a vesting option. Which is normal albeit let common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, Michael said: They call that a vesting option. Which is normal albeit let common. No performance based incentives is what the 4 million was. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/miami-marlins/jorge-soler-10723/ Per their data, the 4 million was earned in 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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