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The Jumbo Shrimp and the Baby Cakes. How am I supposed to talk about our minor league teams seriously?

I think I'm just gonna stick to saying Suns and Zephyrs even if it isn't correct.

Week 2.

So who closed the game? Barraclough ?

 

If Ramos was traded, yes. We also have David Phelps and Nick Wittgren who are both very capable of doing the job. Even Brian Ellington has a chance to be a good closer imo.

Hey look all those bench Tannehill people look dumb. How shocking and totally not predictable. 

Dolphins should win the next two games, which obviously means they'll be 5-6 after.

We're not getting Chapman nor should we. I'm not spending $15-20 million a year on a closer.

If you're serious you would go and patent certain IP involved with making the product. 

If it's an app go online and find a legitimate coder. Anything else you're going to have to do some research on the building process. 

Hard to help without some specifics. A real useful invention is gonna take a great deal of time and resources to get done.

It got better. Although I don't know why everybody says the last episode twist was so shocking since I had that one pegged episode 1.

With qualifying offers being $17.2 million, there are going to be so many players taking offers this year that would've usually tested free agency. 

I just don't get why the Marlins don't want to shop AJ Ramos. There will never be a better time to do it than now. Chapman and Miller reaching the World Series and getting so much publicity means teams are going to throw way higher prospects than usual to acquire an All Star closer. 

Keeping Ramos is just prime waste of a perfect opportunity.

Anderson is without question the team's best hitting prospect. It's good to see him hitting well in the AFL. He's still a good year and a half away from the majors though unless he has a huge breakthrough in AA next year (aka a JT Realmuto season).

I agree. Or perhaps sign Fowler and trade Prado and/or Ozuna for #1 or #2 pitcher. Dietrich at 3B isn't a unmanageable downgrade from Prado. I hope my opinion doesn't suck this time. I love you anyways.

 

Prado's not being traded. He just signed a new deal. He's the third baseman. Talking about it now is nonsense. 

Ozuna isn't getting you a #1. MAYBE packaged with Dietrich, Hech, Telis, Castillo, etc... he might get a potential #2, but more likely a high end #3. 

I'm having difficulty balancing the rave reviews of Luis Castillo with the fact that we were going to trade him to the Padres for a lot of not much.

 

I mean what the hell.

 

Castillo has been heavily overrated by the front office now that they need to hype their own prospects.He wasn't even a regular starter until late 2015. He did great in Jupiter, but his sample size for success is very small. 

If you want to see a positive though, he's following a similar career trajectory as Desclafani did, so that's cool. But again, temper down expectations. Peters is the best pitching prospect we have imo and he likely wouldn't be top 10 in a good system.

As for Garcia/Wacha, Garcia is going to make $11.5 million next year and $12 million after that so it would be a definite no for him given his current numbers. 

Wacha is interesting, and he's only just now arbitration eligible. He is estimated to get $3.2 million, which isn't bad at all. The bigger question is would the Cardinals trade him at a low value. The Marlins would not give up Ozuna in a trade for Wacha. It would likely be a deal centered more around a Marlins top prospect like Luis Castillo or a Derek Dietrich, both guys I'm not sure they'd want. I'm not sure how much of a fit the Cardinals are.

dammit dim you just said we'd screw up Bauer.  I can't keep up.

 

also the Cards have a ton of pitching.  maybe try for a bounce-back guy in Garcia or Wacha?

 

It's an internal debate I'm having with myself. The trade makes sense but I've become numb to trusting the coaching staff given how they've handled some pitchers of the past. I really think Bauer has all the tools to be successful, he's just a bit of a wild card. 

Not surprising Marlins didn't go for Dickey. I mentioned him but he was a bit more down on the list of guys for the Marlins to go after. It seems the Marlins want some pitchers with a bit more long term viability as opposed to a real 1 year guy, which is what Dickey would be.

I really think the Bauer trade makes sense. Both players are the same age, have similar inconsistencies in their careers, and both rebounded in 2016. It makes perfect sense for Miami. The question would be whether the Indians see Ozuna as an upgrade over either Chisenhall or Guyer (Naquin and Brantley will be starting next season without a doubt). I'd really like to see Miami press the issue on it.

I rather have Doug Fister over Peavey/Dickey

 

Actually forgot to mention Fister in my post there. I've said before he's the first guy you go after. 

Possibly signing Fister and somebody like Jason Hammel or Edinson Volquez and add them to a traded for guy with, say, the ability of Trevor Bauer (he was worth more wins than Ozuna this year)

There may not be stand out options, but there areas to improve the rotation to potentially an above .500 record.

Anderson will be in the majors someday not too long from now. He's shown signs of being a real prospect the first season he was here. Funny he was the second B. Anderson drafted that year.

Steckenrider seems like ok minor league depth. Nothing too stand out but he was definitely great in AA this year. He's pretty likely to see bullpen time in the majors at some point next season.

I still disagree 100% with your assessments on Perez and see them as far too high. Seeing him as a 2017 replacement for Ozuna in the event of a trade is waaaaay too lofty to be saying. Ichiro or even Dietrich would be the replacement without a free agent signing and Perez needs more minor league time. Right now he's a pinch runner in the big leagues.

Marlins hitting coach list the last few years

2010-2011- John Mallee

2011-2012- Eduardo Perez

2013- Tino Martinez/John Pierson

2014-2015- Frank Menechino

2016- Barry Bonds

2017- Mike Pagliarulo

Don't mind me if I'm not holding my breath for this one to work out.

7 days on probation. Take me off and I'll downvote everyone into oblivion.

Marlins can't fix the starting rotation with free agent signings this offseason. They can put a band aid on but there's longer term problems. 

The plan should involve using Ozuna, Dietrich, Telis, Hechavarria, Koehler, and whoever else outside of the core players to acquire either a #2 or high end #3 pitcher (I'd use Ramos to get another starter but the Marlins don't seem to be going that way). Go and sign two of Volquez/Dickey/Peavy/De La Rosa to one year deals. The rotation then looks like...

1. Chen

2. Conley

3. Pitcher acquired via trade

4. 1-year deal starter

5. 1-year deal starter

With Austin Brice, Justin Nicolino, Kendry Flores, Jose Urena and Jake Esch as backup options. Dillon Peters could actually join this group in September with a great season. Koehler could very easily take that 4th rotation spot and the Marlins only go and sign 1 starter and it isn't too big a difference. 

That should be the template for this offseason. Doesn't fix the problem, something that can't be fixed in a single season or even three. But it is the best they can do given the circumstances.

Travis Wood is definitely a new idea I hadn't considered yet. Hasn't been a starter in two years but is coming off a career year as a reliever. Success as a reliever makes him cheaper to acquire than the top starting pitching options. Still, it is far from a certainty he repeats that performance as a starter. Last time he started regularly he was worse than a replacement level player.

Don't know if I say flat out no to the idea, but it would definitely be further down on the list. 

Joe Blanton is the exact same story as Wood, only it has been three years since he's been a regular starter. 

Given choice from the top 50, I'd personally rather give looks at Volquez and Dickey on one year deals. It is a lot safer than Wood on a three year deal and I think there is the same chance if not more that they're successful than Wood/Blanton. I'd also include Peavy/De La Rosa among options in this group for 1 year deals.

we need to get Salazar.

 

Cool. Hope you're willing to part with Yelich to get him.

If I'm to throw an opinion, I'd definitely make a run. A 2 year, $18 million (or even 1 year $10 million with an $8 million option) sounds like a good way to improve the rotation. Doesn't take up long term payroll (since it is going to rise exponentially in 2018) and definitely improves the team next season as long as his second half regression wasn't a sign of things to come.

I have no idea if he will require more money. Anything over $10 million a year for two seasons makes it far more difficult to do.

This is pretty surprising. 3.83 ERA this season and consistently good pitcher for the Cubs. He isn't a #1 or 2, but definitely a solid #3 starter option for a team. 34 years old so he in all likelihood will not receive a long term deal. 

Not saying we should or shouldn't go after him, but he is another name to now consider.

Option was for $10 million, so the Cubs felt he wasn't worth that amount next season (either that or Hammel and the Cubs have a good enough relationship that the Cubs let him walk for more money instead of trading him) if you want to consider a price range for him.