What Barry Bonds has done over the past few seasons is phenomenal. Some people say that he has benefited from Pac Bell/ SBC, but others always say he would be even better. Which one is it? Read below and find out.

It is well documented that Pacific Bell/ SBC/ whatever the hell you want to call it is one of (if not) the toughest park for hitters in baseball. Sure, Bonds makes it looks like a hitter??s paradise, but when you look at the numbers it??s just not true.

Some people just look at the players road stats and just average that out to a full season. But that doesn??t work much, because there are too many intangibles (i.e. some players perform better with fan support, some have gone into their big slumps or their streaks during a home stand or a long road trip, etc. etc.)

 

All you have to do is look at these numbers. From 2000-2003:

The Giants hit 361 homers at home (104 by Bonds)

The Giants hit 478 homers on the road (109 by Bonds)

Giants pitchers gave up 213 homers at home

Giants pitchers gave up 335 homers on the road.

 

So during those four years, there have been 574 homers in 324 games at PAC BELL park and 813 in 323 games where the Giants played on the road. That averages out to 2.157 homers/ game in road games and 1.114 homers/ game in home games, which is 1.043 more homers a game.

So here??s what it means: in those four years, Bonds 213 of the 1387 home runs, which is 15.3 percent. So if you put that into the 241 more homers that would have been hit if the Giants played in a neutral park (the 239 plus the extra two in the game that got canceled at Shea due to the blackout), that's 37 more home runs (or 9.25 a season).

So if Bonds played in a neutral park over the last few seasons, he would have come into the season with around 695 homers instead of 658. Instead of chasing Mays at the beginning of the season, he??d be chasing Ruth. And if he catches Aaron it will be at least a season later than he would in a neutral park.

Now to go on to a scary thought, how many home runs would he hit if he played in Coors field? Read below and find out.

 

Since 2000:

The Giants hit 72 homers at Coors Field

The Giants hit 31 homers at Pac Bell Park against the Giants

The Rockies hit 45 homers at Coors Field against the Giants

The Rockies hit 13 homers at Pac Bell Park

 

The two teams played each other the same amount of games (35) at each park. When the Giants and Rockies played each other, there have been 117 homers at Coors Field and only 44 at Pac Bell Park, which amounts to a 165.9 % increase. So if the number of home runs at SBC Park over the last four seasons by 165.9%, that would increase the number home runs to 952, that??s 378 more home runs hit in games where the Giants were the home team. And if Bonds were to hit 15.3% of those home runs, that would be 58 more home runs entering the season, which would mean he would already be 2 ahead of Ruth and would probably be passing Aaron by the end of this season.

WOW!

here's the only mathematical problem with trying to calculate bonds' HRs in a "neutral" park:

 

2000-2003:

the giants other than bonds hit 257 HRs at home

the giants other than bonds hit 369 HRs on the road

 

however,

bonds hit 104 HRs at home

bonds hit 109 HRs on the road

 

 

what does that tell you?

 

pac bell park, in general, is tough to hit HRs in for most hitters. however, it isn't tough to hit HRs in for a player who hits them where bonds hits them. in fact, the stadium was "made" for bonds in a way. i'm sure, on the average--in an average ballpark--hitters hit a few more HRs at home, but for all intents and purposes, bonds is already playing in a "neutral" park.

here's the only mathematical problem with trying to calculate bonds' HRs in a "neutral" park:

 

2000-2003:

the giants other than bonds hit 257 HRs at home

the giants other than bonds hit 369 HRs on the road

 

however,

bonds hit 104 HRs at home

bonds hit 109 HRs on the road

 

 

what does that tell you?

 

pac bell park, in general, is tough to hit HRs in for most hitters. however, it isn't tough to hit HRs in for a player who hits them where bonds hits them. in fact, the stadium was "made" for bonds in a way. i'm sure, on the average--in an average ballpark--hitters hit a few more HRs at home, but for all intents and purposes, bonds is already playing in a "neutral" park.

Some people just look at the players road stats and just average that out to a full season. But that doesn??t work much, because there are too many intangibles (i.e. some players perform better with fan support, some have gone into their big slumps or their streaks during a home stand or a long road trip, etc. etc.)

here's the only mathematical problem with trying to calculate bonds' HRs in a "neutral" park:

 

2000-2003:

the giants other than bonds hit 257 HRs at home

the giants other than bonds hit 369 HRs on the road

 

however,

bonds hit 104 HRs at home

bonds hit 109 HRs on the road

 

 

what does that tell you?

 

pac bell park, in general, is tough to hit HRs in for most hitters. however, it isn't tough to hit HRs in for a player who hits them where bonds hits them. in fact, the stadium was "made" for bonds in a way. i'm sure, on the average--in an average ballpark--hitters hit a few more HRs at home, but for all intents and purposes, bonds is already playing in a "neutral" park.

Some people just look at the players road stats and just average that out to a full season.? But that doesn??t work much, because there are too many intangibles (i.e. some players perform better with fan support, some have gone into their big slumps or their streaks during a home stand or a long road trip, etc. etc.)

i'm sure, on the average--in an average ballpark--hitters hit a few more HRs at home, but for all intents and purposes, bonds is already playing in a "neutral" park.

 

 

learn stats, n00b

here's the only mathematical problem with trying to calculate bonds' HRs in a "neutral" park:

 

2000-2003:

the giants other than bonds hit 257 HRs at home

the giants other than bonds hit 369 HRs on the road

 

however,

bonds hit 104 HRs at home

bonds hit 109 HRs on the road

 

 

what does that tell you??

 

pac bell park, in general, is tough to hit HRs in for most hitters.? however, it isn't tough to hit HRs in for a player who hits them where bonds hits them.? in fact, the stadium was "made" for bonds in a way.? i'm sure, on the average--in an average ballpark--hitters hit a few more HRs at home, but for all intents and purposes, bonds is already playing in a "neutral" park.

Some people just look at the players road stats and just average that out to a full season.?But that doesn?t work much, because there are too many intangibles (i.e. some players perform better with fan support, some have gone into their big slumps or their streaks during a home stand or a long road trip, etc. etc.)

i'm sure, on the average--in an average ballpark--hitters hit a few more HRs at home, but for all intents and purposes, bonds is already playing in a "neutral" park.

 

 

learn stats, n00b like i said, there are too many inangibles to evaluate based solely on that

i'm referring to this whack use of stats:

 

So during those four years, there have been 574 homers in 324 games at PAC BELL park and 813 in 323 games where the Giants played on the road. That averages out to 2.157 homers/ game in road games and 1.114 homers/ game in home games, which is 1.043 more homers a game.

So here??s what it means: in those four years, Bonds 213 of the 1387 home runs, which is 15.3 percent. So if you put that into the 241 more homers that would have been hit if the Giants played in a neutral park (the 239 plus the extra two in the game that got canceled at Shea due to the blackout), that's 37 more home runs (or 9.25 a season).

 

when hitters other than bonds hit 66% as many HRs at pac bell as they do on the road, while bonds hits just as many HRs at pac bell as he does on the road, it tells you that though pac bell is a pitchers park, it isn't even close to being that relative to bonds' hitting.

 

thats why comparing HRs hit at pac bell to HRs hit in other stadiums is totally and completely useless for extrapolating how many HRs bonds would hit at a "neutral" park.

i'm referring to this whack use of stats:

 

So during those four years, there have been 574 homers in 324 games at PAC BELL park and 813 in 323 games where the Giants played on the road. That averages out to 2.157 homers/ game in road games and 1.114 homers/ game in home games, which is 1.043 more homers a game.

So here??s what it means: in those four years, Bonds 213 of the 1387 home runs, which is 15.3 percent. So if you put that into the 241 more homers that would have been hit if the Giants played in a neutral park (the 239 plus the extra two in the game that got canceled at Shea due to the blackout), that's 37 more home runs (or 9.25 a season).

 

when hitters other than bonds hit 66% as many HRs at pac bell as they do on the road, while bonds hits just as many HRs at pac bell as he does on the road, it tells you that though pac bell is a pitchers park, it isn't even close to being that relative to bonds' hitting.

 

thats why comparing HRs hit at pac bell to HRs hit in other stadiums is totally and completely useless for extrapolating how many HRs bonds would hit at a "neutral" park. it just means that Bonds is better at home. It just means that if it was a neutral park, Bonds would hit a lot homers at home than on the road.

ok... maybe this will help you understand better why youre not using stats properly.

 

1) look at how many HRs the giants hit on the road.

 

2) look at how many HRs the giants hit at home.

 

3) calculate what pct of the giants HRs on the road were hit by bonds.

 

4) calculate what pct of the giants HRs at home were hit by bonds.

 

compare #3 and #4 and try to explain why there's a huge discrepancy.

Interesting analysis, and I agree with the poster who said that SBC/Pac Bell was created to help Bonds. However I see one thing you are overlooking: ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Who cares?

Interesting analysis, and I agree with the poster who said that SBC/Pac Bell was created to help Bonds. However I see one thing you are overlooking: ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Who cares?

Thou shalt not question the God that is Barry. He is the Chosen One and we shalt start a new topic on him every day. No matter how inane.

Interesting analysis, and I agree with the poster who said that SBC/Pac Bell was created to help Bonds. However I see one thing you are overlooking: ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Who cares?

Thou shalt not question the God that is Barry. He is the Chosen One and we shalt start a new topic on him every day. No matter how inane. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :notworthy :notworthy

Barry is worth the discussion. If Ruth played in our era you wouldn't be b***hing about him getting all this recognition.

Barry is worth the discussion. If Ruth played in our era you wouldn't be b***hing about him getting all this recognition.

I agree. I have no problem with Barry getting recognition, the guy is an amazing ball player, its just that he's been shoved down our throats by people who claim he's a victim of tyranny, racism, oppression, and jealousy. I don't dispute the fact that Barry is worth the discussion. He's earned the hype he's getting, roids or not. And as long as the subject stays on his on-the-field achievements and accomplishments, I have no problem with it at all. Hell i dont mind discussing his off the field antics either, just so long as it doesnt fall into the racism issue again, and I dont have to listen to "what a saint" Bonds is. The guys an amazing player. Period. But his jackass behavior has well preceded him. Just don't feed me a bunch of BS. And I have no problem discussing Bonds.

Bonds takes steroids, so that should account for the difference.

I watched Barry Bonds a little and he rarely hits "warning track" shots.

When Bonds hits a HR, it is clearly out, so I don't feel Bonds is affected by SBC Park.

mlb should just enforce regulation 330-400-330 dimensions for stadiums. pretty soon we will have a 250ft outfield fence like at the Polo Grounds. When will teams finally see hitters parks don't win you a WS (Red Sox, Rockies, Cubs).