What he used were steriods, whatever legal status those particular drugs had or even more to the point no matter what drugs MLB banned at that time is irrelevant to people's respect for Bonds.

 

His records are tainted because he used steriods, he wouldn't have come close to these outrageous numbers at this point in his career without those steriods, that is a fact.?

 

Oh and Giambi injected himself with illegal steroids in the arse yet he didn't get caught by those really really stringent MLB tests...

 

Who cares about technicalities?? This guy used roids and benefited GREATLY from it.? Rewarding a player by using substances that are understood to hurt your health is BS

 

50 years from now, Bonds and his records will forever be linked and rightly so with the juice.? He didn't make it any less likely by being a prick, and I'm happy for that because now he can carry that asterisk in sports books that make reference to him.

 

I have no problem with Bonds being an azz as far as it concerns his place in baseball lore.? Cobb was a horrible person, Ruth wasn't exactly a saint himself but no one thinks Bonds records should be tainted because of his personality, his records are tainted because he cheated, he used a substance that was indeed a steroid.? This isn't some over the counter crap...it's not even comparable to McGwire, this thing tangibly increases your muscle mass inhumanely with health risks on the same level with every other illegal and banned substance.? Pulling out the technicality card is just pure homerism, immoral and outright stupid.

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Dr. Cobaincola... I see you are still at it with the name calling.... Good for you !!

 

Anyways, the only record books that will contain asteriks next to Bonds records are the ones that you buy and add it with your magic markers. There will be no asteriks.

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Dr. Homer, nice well thoughout argument

 

If you don't think there will be a footnote next to his place in any sports book you are living in some fantasy land.

 

But then again you thought he never did Roids.

 

I can't believe you think those records are earned the right way. Do you actually condone putting steroids into your body to get an edge? He won't suffer any legal or MLB action but you honestly think it's ok to inject yourself with stuff that is equivalent in health risks and inhumane muscle growth as every single banned steroid? The fact that Conte developed a new undetectable version doesn't make what he did right. They cheated the system.

 

He made you look an idiot for trying to defend him in the first place...you think you'd learn by now before he does it again.

 

I'm still waiting for that article on how Bonds said in the grand jury testimony that he never took steroids.

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what difference does it make whether or not he took steroids?

1. Steroids or no steroids, he is far and away the best in baseball.

2. At the time he (alledgedly) took it, it wasn't against the rules so it wasn't cheating

3. most players take steroids or something similar

4. THG isn't even steroids

5. If steroids really help so much, why is Marvin Benard so crappy? Armando RIos? Bobby Estalella? JEremy Giambi? I could go on for days listing players who took it who obviously haven't been helped by using it

There will be no asterisk, and future generation won't even know about this controversy

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1. You're an idiot. He wasn't nearly as good off the roids, like it or not you just need to look at his stats. His accomplishments including 4 MVPs, and the single season HR record are a product of his using steroids.

 

2. You are sad. I already adressed this in a previous post, if you think it's right for an individual to take a substance equivalent in effects (and health risks) as those banned by MLB and the law just because some scientist uncovered a new way of hiding the effects of that drug then you are a sad immoral sack of s*** as is Bonds.

 

3. Most players take steriods? LMAO...wow...this solidifies how stupid you are. Only a brief while ago despite all the evidence in the world, you persisted in saying that Bonds wasn't guilty of steroid charges. Now that he is a roid head you've changed your stance to argue that the majority of players use it without any type of evidence? I knew you were a homer, but atleast try hard to reason within the lines of logic.

 

4. The Clear and The Cream are essentially steroids, they do to your body everything that roids do. They are harmful and provide inhumane amounts of muscle mass.

 

5. You're an idiot. Jeremy Giambi was helped by steriods, but as many experts have stated the effect of steriods are maximized in athletes who obviously are the best at their game. If you can't hit a curve, all the inhumane muscle mass isn't going to teach you how to hit the curve. If you don't workout all that muscle mass is going to fade very fast. Bonds has both things going for him, he's already a great player and he works out rigorously so if anyone could benefit most from roids it'd be someone like him. As far as Benard, he obviously gained alot of power from 99 to 01. For a person that likes Bill James why don't you look at James' career trends and extrapolate what Barry's numbers would have been had he not used steriods. HOF surely, but nothing close to what they are now, definitely 4 MVPs shorter. His last few seasons are a product of his steroid use.

 

There isn't going to be an official asterisk you moron, but obviously if the single season HR king was involved in a steroid scandal during the time he broke the record and during which time he won 4 consecutive MVP awards that is obviously going to stick to his legacy you stupid s***.

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see, all you can do is post personal attacks because you can't back up what you say. Last year, his OPS+ was 260. Second place (Pujols) was 175. Bonds was 49% percent better. So if you're saying that if Bonds is better because of steroids, that would mean that steroids make a player at least 50% better. So that would mean that any average player that took steroids would turn into one of the best players in baseball, at the very least. And besides, he was off clean last year and still had another dominating year. So that's proof in itself that it didn't have much of an effect. Why didn't he have a dropoff in performance like Giambi, SOsa, GOnzalez, etc.

He was the best player in baseball before (1990-2002) and he's been the best player since (2004-). In fact, among the last 5 seasons, his worst year was the year he on taking THG. Explain that.

2. Okay, so players that take stuff from GNC are cheaters? It's legal, but the stuff there can help players out a little. If it's not against the rules of baseball (no performance enhancers were at the time), and if it's not against the law (THG wasn't), then he didn't do anything wrong

there's really no point in arguing with you, because all you can do is post insults instead of backup up what you say

What he used were steriods, whatever legal status those particular drugs had or even more to the point no matter what drugs MLB banned at that time is irrelevant to people's respect for Bonds.

 

His records are tainted because he used steriods, he wouldn't have come close to these outrageous numbers at this point in his career without those steriods, that is a fact.

 

Oh and Giambi injected himself with illegal steroids in the arse yet he didn't get caught by those really really stringent MLB tests...

 

Who cares about technicalities? This guy used roids and benefited GREATLY from it. Rewarding a player by using substances that are understood to hurt your health is BS

 

50 years from now, Bonds and his records will forever be linked and rightly so with the juice. He didn't make it any less likely by being a prick, and I'm happy for that because now he can carry that asterisk in sports books that make reference to him.

 

I have no problem with Bonds being an azz as far as it concerns his place in baseball lore. Cobb was a horrible person, Ruth wasn't exactly a saint himself but no one thinks Bonds records should be tainted because of his personality, his records are tainted because he cheated, he used a substance that was indeed a steroid. This isn't some over the counter crap...it's not even comparable to McGwire, this thing tangibly increases your muscle mass inhumanely with health risks on the same level with every other illegal and banned substance. Pulling out the technicality card is just pure homerism, immoral and outright stupid.

674666[/snapback]

 

Dr. Cobaincola... I see you are still at it with the name calling.... Good for you !!

 

Anyways, the only record books that will contain asteriks next to Bonds records are the ones that you buy and add it with your magic markers. There will be no asteriks.

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Dr. Homer, nice well thoughout argument

 

If you don't think there will be a footnote next to his place in any sports book you are living in some fantasy land.

 

But then again you thought he never did Roids.

 

I can't believe you think those records are earned the right way. Do you actually condone putting steroids into your body to get an edge? He won't suffer any legal or MLB action but you honestly think it's ok to inject yourself with stuff that is equivalent in health risks and inhumane muscle growth as every single banned steroid? The fact that Conte developed a new undetectable version doesn't make what he did right. They cheated the system.

 

He made you look an idiot for trying to defend him in the first place...you think you'd learn by now before he does it again.

 

I'm still waiting for that article on how Bonds said in the grand jury testimony that he never took steroids.

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what difference does it make whether or not he took steroids?

1. Steroids or no steroids, he is far and away the best in baseball.

2. At the time he (alledgedly) took it, it wasn't against the rules so it wasn't cheating

3. most players take steroids or something similar

4. THG isn't even steroids

5. If steroids really help so much, why is Marvin Benard so crappy? Armando RIos? Bobby Estalella? JEremy Giambi? I could go on for days listing players who took it who obviously haven't been helped by using it

There will be no asterisk, and future generation won't even know about this controversy

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1. You're an idiot. He wasn't nearly as good off the roids, like it or not you just need to look at his stats. His accomplishments including 4 MVPs, and the single season HR record are a product of his using steroids.

 

2. You are sad. I already adressed this in a previous post, if you think it's right for an individual to take a substance equivalent in effects (and health risks) as those banned by MLB and the law just because some scientist uncovered a new way of hiding the effects of that drug then you are a sad immoral sack of s*** as is Bonds.

 

3. Most players take steriods? LMAO...wow...this solidifies how stupid you are. Only a brief while ago despite all the evidence in the world, you persisted in saying that Bonds wasn't guilty of steroid charges. Now that he is a roid head you've changed your stance to argue that the majority of players use it without any type of evidence? I knew you were a homer, but atleast try hard to reason within the lines of logic.

 

4. The Clear and The Cream are essentially steroids, they do to your body everything that roids do. They are harmful and provide inhumane amounts of muscle mass.

 

5. You're an idiot. Jeremy Giambi was helped by steriods, but as many experts have stated the effect of steriods are maximized in athletes who obviously are the best at their game. If you can't hit a curve, all the inhumane muscle mass isn't going to teach you how to hit the curve. If you don't workout all that muscle mass is going to fade very fast. Bonds has both things going for him, he's already a great player and he works out rigorously so if anyone could benefit most from roids it'd be someone like him. As far as Benard, he obviously gained alot of power from 99 to 01. For a person that likes Bill James why don't you look at James' career trends and extrapolate what Barry's numbers would have been had he not used steriods. HOF surely, but nothing close to what they are now, definitely 4 MVPs shorter. His last few seasons are a product of his steroid use.

 

There isn't going to be an official asterisk you moron, but obviously if the single season HR king was involved in a steroid scandal during the time he broke the record and during which time he won 4 consecutive MVP awards that is obviously going to stick to his legacy you stupid s***.

675283[/snapback]

see, all you can do is post personal attacks because you can't back up what you say. Last year, his OPS+ was 260. Second place (Pujols) was 175. Bonds was 49% percent better. So if you're saying that if Bonds is better because of steroids, that would mean that steroids make a player at least 50% better. So that would mean that any average player that took steroids would turn into one of the best players in baseball, at the very least. And besides, he was off clean last year and still had another dominating year. So that's proof in itself that it didn't have much of an effect. Why didn't he have a dropoff in performance like Giambi, SOsa, GOnzalez, etc.

He was the best player in baseball before (1990-2002) and he's been the best player since (2004-). In fact, among the last 5 seasons, his worst year was the year he on taking THG. Explain that.

2. Okay, so players that take stuff from GNC are cheaters? It's legal, but the stuff there can help players out a little. If it's not against the rules of baseball (no performance enhancers were at the time), and if it's not against the law (THG wasn't), then he didn't do anything wrong

there's really no point in arguing with you, because all you can do is post insults instead of backup up what you say

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Bonds was also what percentage better than he was at his prime? Now what is the probability that a player at his age produce at a level that much better than at his prime given James' formulas, it's close to zero. It would have helped Bonds more than a number of players. There are only a few players that could realy stand to greatly improve their game because of roids, they are usually the upper echelon players who already possess the skills to hit a curve or knuckle ball and can now hit balls further and can wait on pitches more.

 

Bonds was the best player in the 90s, no one is arguing that. But he was NEVER that much ahead of the field. Explain how steroids didn't produce his numbers.

 

How dense are you? I already wrote in an earlier post that over the counter drugs are not the same idiot. They don't increase your muscle mass to inhumane levels, Bonds took steroids, you can't go to GNC and buy steroids idiot.

 

I insult you, because what there is a proper way of addressing everyone. Reread your post then reread my earlier posts and I already reply as to why Bonds is still a cheater. I don't have the energy nor the patience to try to explain something over and over to somebody that lacks the intelligence of a parasite.

 

Don't try to pigeon hole into some position that I am not endorsing. I don't take if Bonds took over the counter stuff, that stuff isn't immoral it's not something we as the public should be worried about if all the players decided to take it regularly. If steroids didn't have adverse health risks then those not taking it aren't doing all they can. But they do and those roids that Bonds took are equivalent with a number of banned substances both legally and by MLB with the exception that Bonds drug was a new creation in that it couldn't be detected. You want to award him because he cheated the system?

 

Are you really that low?

What he used were steriods, whatever legal status those particular drugs had or even more to the point no matter what drugs MLB banned at that time is irrelevant to people's respect for Bonds.

 

His records are tainted because he used steriods, he wouldn't have come close to these outrageous numbers at this point in his career without those steriods, that is a fact.

 

Oh and Giambi injected himself with illegal steroids in the arse yet he didn't get caught by those really really stringent MLB tests...

 

Who cares about technicalities? This guy used roids and benefited GREATLY from it. Rewarding a player by using substances that are understood to hurt your health is BS

 

50 years from now, Bonds and his records will forever be linked and rightly so with the juice. He didn't make it any less likely by being a prick, and I'm happy for that because now he can carry that asterisk in sports books that make reference to him.

 

I have no problem with Bonds being an azz as far as it concerns his place in baseball lore. Cobb was a horrible person, Ruth wasn't exactly a saint himself but no one thinks Bonds records should be tainted because of his personality, his records are tainted because he cheated, he used a substance that was indeed a steroid. This isn't some over the counter crap...it's not even comparable to McGwire, this thing tangibly increases your muscle mass inhumanely with health risks on the same level with every other illegal and banned substance. Pulling out the technicality card is just pure homerism, immoral and outright stupid.

674666[/snapback]

 

Dr. Cobaincola... I see you are still at it with the name calling.... Good for you !!

 

Anyways, the only record books that will contain asteriks next to Bonds records are the ones that you buy and add it with your magic markers. There will be no asteriks.

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Dr. Homer, nice well thoughout argument

 

If you don't think there will be a footnote next to his place in any sports book you are living in some fantasy land.

 

But then again you thought he never did Roids.

 

I can't believe you think those records are earned the right way. Do you actually condone putting steroids into your body to get an edge? He won't suffer any legal or MLB action but you honestly think it's ok to inject yourself with stuff that is equivalent in health risks and inhumane muscle growth as every single banned steroid? The fact that Conte developed a new undetectable version doesn't make what he did right. They cheated the system.

 

He made you look an idiot for trying to defend him in the first place...you think you'd learn by now before he does it again.

 

I'm still waiting for that article on how Bonds said in the grand jury testimony that he never took steroids.

675101[/snapback]

what difference does it make whether or not he took steroids?

1. Steroids or no steroids, he is far and away the best in baseball.

2. At the time he (alledgedly) took it, it wasn't against the rules so it wasn't cheating

3. most players take steroids or something similar

4. THG isn't even steroids

5. If steroids really help so much, why is Marvin Benard so crappy? Armando RIos? Bobby Estalella? JEremy Giambi? I could go on for days listing players who took it who obviously haven't been helped by using it

There will be no asterisk, and future generation won't even know about this controversy

675169[/snapback]

 

 

1. You're an idiot. He wasn't nearly as good off the roids, like it or not you just need to look at his stats. His accomplishments including 4 MVPs, and the single season HR record are a product of his using steroids.

 

2. You are sad. I already adressed this in a previous post, if you think it's right for an individual to take a substance equivalent in effects (and health risks) as those banned by MLB and the law just because some scientist uncovered a new way of hiding the effects of that drug then you are a sad immoral sack of s*** as is Bonds.

 

3. Most players take steriods? LMAO...wow...this solidifies how stupid you are. Only a brief while ago despite all the evidence in the world, you persisted in saying that Bonds wasn't guilty of steroid charges. Now that he is a roid head you've changed your stance to argue that the majority of players use it without any type of evidence? I knew you were a homer, but atleast try hard to reason within the lines of logic.

 

4. The Clear and The Cream are essentially steroids, they do to your body everything that roids do. They are harmful and provide inhumane amounts of muscle mass.

 

5. You're an idiot. Jeremy Giambi was helped by steriods, but as many experts have stated the effect of steriods are maximized in athletes who obviously are the best at their game. If you can't hit a curve, all the inhumane muscle mass isn't going to teach you how to hit the curve. If you don't workout all that muscle mass is going to fade very fast. Bonds has both things going for him, he's already a great player and he works out rigorously so if anyone could benefit most from roids it'd be someone like him. As far as Benard, he obviously gained alot of power from 99 to 01. For a person that likes Bill James why don't you look at James' career trends and extrapolate what Barry's numbers would have been had he not used steriods. HOF surely, but nothing close to what they are now, definitely 4 MVPs shorter. His last few seasons are a product of his steroid use.

 

There isn't going to be an official asterisk you moron, but obviously if the single season HR king was involved in a steroid scandal during the time he broke the record and during which time he won 4 consecutive MVP awards that is obviously going to stick to his legacy you stupid s***.

675283[/snapback]

see, all you can do is post personal attacks because you can't back up what you say. Last year, his OPS+ was 260. Second place (Pujols) was 175. Bonds was 49% percent better. So if you're saying that if Bonds is better because of steroids, that would mean that steroids make a player at least 50% better. So that would mean that any average player that took steroids would turn into one of the best players in baseball, at the very least. And besides, he was off clean last year and still had another dominating year. So that's proof in itself that it didn't have much of an effect. Why didn't he have a dropoff in performance like Giambi, SOsa, GOnzalez, etc.

He was the best player in baseball before (1990-2002) and he's been the best player since (2004-). In fact, among the last 5 seasons, his worst year was the year he on taking THG. Explain that.

2. Okay, so players that take stuff from GNC are cheaters? It's legal, but the stuff there can help players out a little. If it's not against the rules of baseball (no performance enhancers were at the time), and if it's not against the law (THG wasn't), then he didn't do anything wrong

there's really no point in arguing with you, because all you can do is post insults instead of backup up what you say

675327[/snapback]

 

Bonds was also what percentage better than he was at his prime? Now what is the probability that a player at his age produce at a level that much better than at his prime given James' formulas, it's close to zero. It would have helped Bonds more than a number of players. There are only a few players that could realy stand to greatly improve their game because of roids, they are usually the upper echelon players who already possess the skills to hit a curve or knuckle ball and can now hit balls further and can wait on pitches more.

 

Bonds was the best player in the 90s, no one is arguing that. But he was NEVER that much ahead of the field. Explain how steroids didn't produce his numbers.

 

How dense are you? I already wrote in an earlier post that over the counter drugs are not the same idiot. They don't increase your muscle mass to inhumane levels, Bonds took steroids, you can't go to GNC and buy steroids idiot.

 

I insult you, because what there is a proper way of addressing everyone. Reread your post then reread my earlier posts and I already reply as to why Bonds is still a cheater. I don't have the energy nor the patience to try to explain something over and over to somebody that lacks the intelligence of a parasite.

 

Don't try to pigeon hole into some position that I am not endorsing. I don't take if Bonds took over the counter stuff, that stuff isn't immoral it's not something we as the public should be worried about if all the players decided to take it regularly. If steroids didn't have adverse health risks then those not taking it aren't doing all they can. But they do and those roids that Bonds took are equivalent with a number of banned substances both legally and by MLB with the exception that Bonds drug was a new creation in that it couldn't be detected. You want to award him because he cheated the system?

 

Are you really that low?

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so you don't think creatine and other stuff at GNC is bad for you? There are health risks at most stuff at GNC. And if you watch Bonds compared to five years ago, ten years ago, etc., you would see that he isn't as talented anymore. He's not as fast, and believe it or not not as strong either. Bonds is better now, why? Because he knows how to utilize his talents. He is one of the smartest players around. That's why he's so good.

So what, for a year his fly balls went a few feet further and his line drives a few MPH harder, does that really make much of a difference? No.

And explain to me why, that during the last 5 years, his worst year was the year he was on THG?

hes still a monster........y else would everyone fear him

What he used were steriods, whatever legal status those particular drugs had or even more to the point no matter what drugs MLB banned at that time is irrelevant to people's respect for Bonds.

 

His records are tainted because he used steriods, he wouldn't have come close to these outrageous numbers at this point in his career without those steriods, that is a fact.

 

Oh and Giambi injected himself with illegal steroids in the arse yet he didn't get caught by those really really stringent MLB tests...

 

Who cares about technicalities? This guy used roids and benefited GREATLY from it. Rewarding a player by using substances that are understood to hurt your health is BS

 

50 years from now, Bonds and his records will forever be linked and rightly so with the juice. He didn't make it any less likely by being a prick, and I'm happy for that because now he can carry that asterisk in sports books that make reference to him.

 

I have no problem with Bonds being an azz as far as it concerns his place in baseball lore. Cobb was a horrible person, Ruth wasn't exactly a saint himself but no one thinks Bonds records should be tainted because of his personality, his records are tainted because he cheated, he used a substance that was indeed a steroid. This isn't some over the counter crap...it's not even comparable to McGwire, this thing tangibly increases your muscle mass inhumanely with health risks on the same level with every other illegal and banned substance. Pulling out the technicality card is just pure homerism, immoral and outright stupid.

674666[/snapback]

 

Dr. Cobaincola... I see you are still at it with the name calling.... Good for you !!

 

Anyways, the only record books that will contain asteriks next to Bonds records are the ones that you buy and add it with your magic markers. There will be no asteriks.

674713[/snapback]

 

Dr. Homer, nice well thoughout argument

 

If you don't think there will be a footnote next to his place in any sports book you are living in some fantasy land.

 

But then again you thought he never did Roids.

 

I can't believe you think those records are earned the right way. Do you actually condone putting steroids into your body to get an edge? He won't suffer any legal or MLB action but you honestly think it's ok to inject yourself with stuff that is equivalent in health risks and inhumane muscle growth as every single banned steroid? The fact that Conte developed a new undetectable version doesn't make what he did right. They cheated the system.

 

He made you look an idiot for trying to defend him in the first place...you think you'd learn by now before he does it again.

 

I'm still waiting for that article on how Bonds said in the grand jury testimony that he never took steroids.

675101[/snapback]

what difference does it make whether or not he took steroids?

1. Steroids or no steroids, he is far and away the best in baseball.

2. At the time he (alledgedly) took it, it wasn't against the rules so it wasn't cheating

3. most players take steroids or something similar

4. THG isn't even steroids

5. If steroids really help so much, why is Marvin Benard so crappy? Armando RIos? Bobby Estalella? JEremy Giambi? I could go on for days listing players who took it who obviously haven't been helped by using it

There will be no asterisk, and future generation won't even know about this controversy

675169[/snapback]

 

 

1. You're an idiot. He wasn't nearly as good off the roids, like it or not you just need to look at his stats. His accomplishments including 4 MVPs, and the single season HR record are a product of his using steroids.

 

2. You are sad. I already adressed this in a previous post, if you think it's right for an individual to take a substance equivalent in effects (and health risks) as those banned by MLB and the law just because some scientist uncovered a new way of hiding the effects of that drug then you are a sad immoral sack of s*** as is Bonds.

 

3. Most players take steriods? LMAO...wow...this solidifies how stupid you are. Only a brief while ago despite all the evidence in the world, you persisted in saying that Bonds wasn't guilty of steroid charges. Now that he is a roid head you've changed your stance to argue that the majority of players use it without any type of evidence? I knew you were a homer, but atleast try hard to reason within the lines of logic.

 

4. The Clear and The Cream are essentially steroids, they do to your body everything that roids do. They are harmful and provide inhumane amounts of muscle mass.

 

5. You're an idiot. Jeremy Giambi was helped by steriods, but as many experts have stated the effect of steriods are maximized in athletes who obviously are the best at their game. If you can't hit a curve, all the inhumane muscle mass isn't going to teach you how to hit the curve. If you don't workout all that muscle mass is going to fade very fast. Bonds has both things going for him, he's already a great player and he works out rigorously so if anyone could benefit most from roids it'd be someone like him. As far as Benard, he obviously gained alot of power from 99 to 01. For a person that likes Bill James why don't you look at James' career trends and extrapolate what Barry's numbers would have been had he not used steriods. HOF surely, but nothing close to what they are now, definitely 4 MVPs shorter. His last few seasons are a product of his steroid use.

 

There isn't going to be an official asterisk you moron, but obviously if the single season HR king was involved in a steroid scandal during the time he broke the record and during which time he won 4 consecutive MVP awards that is obviously going to stick to his legacy you stupid s***.

675283[/snapback]

see, all you can do is post personal attacks because you can't back up what you say. Last year, his OPS+ was 260. Second place (Pujols) was 175. Bonds was 49% percent better. So if you're saying that if Bonds is better because of steroids, that would mean that steroids make a player at least 50% better. So that would mean that any average player that took steroids would turn into one of the best players in baseball, at the very least. And besides, he was off clean last year and still had another dominating year. So that's proof in itself that it didn't have much of an effect. Why didn't he have a dropoff in performance like Giambi, SOsa, GOnzalez, etc.

He was the best player in baseball before (1990-2002) and he's been the best player since (2004-). In fact, among the last 5 seasons, his worst year was the year he on taking THG. Explain that.

2. Okay, so players that take stuff from GNC are cheaters? It's legal, but the stuff there can help players out a little. If it's not against the rules of baseball (no performance enhancers were at the time), and if it's not against the law (THG wasn't), then he didn't do anything wrong

there's really no point in arguing with you, because all you can do is post insults instead of backup up what you say

675327[/snapback]

 

Bonds was also what percentage better than he was at his prime? Now what is the probability that a player at his age produce at a level that much better than at his prime given James' formulas, it's close to zero. It would have helped Bonds more than a number of players. There are only a few players that could realy stand to greatly improve their game because of roids, they are usually the upper echelon players who already possess the skills to hit a curve or knuckle ball and can now hit balls further and can wait on pitches more.

 

Bonds was the best player in the 90s, no one is arguing that. But he was NEVER that much ahead of the field. Explain how steroids didn't produce his numbers.

 

How dense are you? I already wrote in an earlier post that over the counter drugs are not the same idiot. They don't increase your muscle mass to inhumane levels, Bonds took steroids, you can't go to GNC and buy steroids idiot.

 

I insult you, because what there is a proper way of addressing everyone. Reread your post then reread my earlier posts and I already reply as to why Bonds is still a cheater. I don't have the energy nor the patience to try to explain something over and over to somebody that lacks the intelligence of a parasite.

 

Don't try to pigeon hole into some position that I am not endorsing. I don't take if Bonds took over the counter stuff, that stuff isn't immoral it's not something we as the public should be worried about if all the players decided to take it regularly. If steroids didn't have adverse health risks then those not taking it aren't doing all they can. But they do and those roids that Bonds took are equivalent with a number of banned substances both legally and by MLB with the exception that Bonds drug was a new creation in that it couldn't be detected. You want to award him because he cheated the system?

 

Are you really that low?

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so you don't think creatine and other stuff at GNC is bad for you? There are health risks at most stuff at GNC. And if you watch Bonds compared to five years ago, ten years ago, etc., you would see that he isn't as talented anymore. He's not as fast, and believe it or not not as strong either. Bonds is better now, why? Because he knows how to utilize his talents. He is one of the smartest players around. That's why he's so good.

So what, for a year his fly balls went a few feet further and his line drives a few MPH harder, does that really make much of a difference? No.

And explain to me why, that during the last 5 years, his worst year was the year he was on THG?

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In particular there is no strong evidence at all that Andro leads to an increase in muscle mass, steroids like the ones Bonds took can up his muscle mass more than twofold...there is nothing that is on a comparable magnitude...don't get lazy with your arguments. Rice pudding, Vitamin C, whatever you want doesn't have that kind of effect with people.

 

You're an idiot, Bonds is a hell of alot stronger than he was before, he's bulked up BIG TIME, his muscle mass is alot more than it was at any time in his career, you'd have to be stupid or blind to suggest otherwise.

 

All of a sudden he realized how to use his talents at this age, so that's the reason he's good right now? LOL...wow, so he started producing at a level much higher than at his supposed prime with a body that should been deteriorating because of age because all of a sudden he learned how to use his talents? Only response necessary: WOW

 

It makes a huge difference ignoramus, read up on the effects before talking. ESPN gathered the reflections of a few Harvard medical professors that said that it could make a huge difference, he should definitely be able to hit the ball considerably further (which he has done idiot, he has hit balls on average a hell of a lot further than before, what is that statistic again that he has hit balls over 420 feet 2 or 3 dozen times in the last few years and 0 before? I guess that is because he got weaker and because he learned how to use his talents) also it allows you to swing the bat faster which will allow you to sit on pitches more which is an incredible advantage.

 

It doesn't help you hit curves, but if you know how to hit curves it will help you hit them farther and with more frequency. That's why talented players have more to gain with taking steroids.

 

He started seeing Anderson when? 2000 or 2001, he didn't start taking steroids in 2003.

 

He is a cheat, like it or not.