The toll of Iraqis killed in November fell to a 21-month low, officials said on Saturday, even as the country?s main Sunni bloc warned that a crackdown on one of its leaders could trigger fresh tension.

 

The drop in violence, however, has not been matched by progress in political reconciliation, which Washington sees as essential for long-term stability in Iraq. Political tensions in the country have spiked again following a crackdown on Sunni leader Adnan Al Dulaimi after the Iraqi army said car bombs were found near his Baghdad office.

 

Dulaimi has been under effective house arrest since Friday, sparking a warning by the main Sunni parliamentary bloc that the country?s fledgling political process could be derailed at a time when violence is falling.

 

The data collected by Iraq?s interior, defence and health ministries showed that 606 Iraqis were killed in November across the country, the lowest monthly toll since February 2006 when brutal sectarian violence exploded.

 

The fall in the number of deaths of civilians, Iraqi soldiers and police supports claims by US and Iraqi officials that military crackdowns against insurgents and militiamen are having an impact.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=83893

*saving GM some time*

 

We don't know for sure that the violence death level is really down. The administration and the Pentagon Iraqi government keeps using arbitrary formulas to make the numbers look positive.

 

I still hear from journalists on the ground and officers that the situation is still extremely volatile people are still dying.

I think that the article speaks for itself in saying that despite the supposed downturn in violence, things are still not moving forward on the political side, which was the point of the 'surge' in the first place.

I think that the article speaks for itself in saying that despite the supposed downturn in violence, things are still not moving forward on the political side, which was the point of the 'surge' in the first place.

 

How dare you try and express your own opinion. Don't you learn anything from the personal shots people take? In the future, please only post useless message board oriented jokes that add nothing to the conversation.

Lowest levels since a year and a half ago in a 4.5 year war? Not quite the progress that should be making us feel great about our foreign interventionism.

*saving GM some time*

 

We don't know for sure that the violence death level is really down. The administration and the Pentagon Iraqi government keeps using arbitrary formulas to make the numbers look positive.

 

I still hear from journalists on the ground and officers that the situation is still extremely volatile people are still dying.

You're worthless.

 

As for the article, I don't really get what it's real point is. This has been common knowledge for the past three months.

...that this is the lowest amount of civilian deaths in a month, in 21 months?

 

I don't know how that could be common knowledge since it is just the 2nd of December.

*saving GM some time*

 

We don't know for sure that the violence death level is really down. The administration and the Pentagon Iraqi government keeps using arbitrary formulas to make the numbers look positive.

 

I still hear from journalists on the ground and officers that the situation is still extremely volatile people are still dying.

You're worthless.

Hopefully he'll realize that soon.

 

I've never been able to figure out what I did to make him attack me all the time.

 

Maybe I killed his dog by accident? :blink:

...that this is the lowest amount of civilian deaths in a month, in 21 months?

 

I don't know how that could be common knowledge since it is just the 2nd of December.

 

I'm assuming you're not really concerned with Iraqi deaths but I see by these posts you're more concerned with showing the surge is working. Anyone who turns on the news deaths are down, I just don't see the point in every thread heralding lower numbers when this has been a trend for some time now

...that this is the lowest amount of civilian deaths in a month, in 21 months?

 

I don't know how that could be common knowledge since it is just the 2nd of December.

 

I'm assuming you're not really concerned with Iraqi deaths but I see by these posts you're more concerned with showing the surge is working. Anyone who turns on the news deaths are down, I just don't see the point in every thread heralding lower numbers.

Dumb/pointless logic.

 

Everything posted on here you can see when you 'turn on the news', so what is the point of any of the threads?

 

Yes, I do want less people in Iraq to die. (Sorry)

 

No, I don't need to try to prove the surge is working, it is doing it itself. 100% without me. :lol

fox with a pointless thread about his crazy wack job belief that the war is winning the hearts and the minds of the iraqis? no...he would never ever do such a thing...

fox with a pointless thread about his crazy wack job belief that the war is winning the hearts and the minds of the iraqis? no...he would never ever do such a thing...

:lol

 

Where is that implied or said?

 

What did I make up?

 

You guys are the ones who make connections that don''t exist.

 

I saw this on CNN Headline News this morning. Do they have a 'wack job belief' as well? :lol

 

I do love how any good news out of the region makes the Dems squirm though. Pretty sad.

fox with a pointless thread about his crazy wack job belief that the war is winning the hearts and the minds of the iraqis? no...he would never ever do such a thing...

:lol

 

Where is that implied or said?

 

What did I make up?

 

You guys are the ones who make connections that don''t exist.

 

I saw this on CNN Headline News this morning. Do they have a 'wack job belief' as well? :lol

 

I do love how any good news out of the region makes the Dems squirm though. Pretty sad.

What the hell are you thinking? If something good happens in Iraq and you report it, you're obviously a crazy wack job.

*saving GM some time*

 

We don't know for sure that the violence death level is really down. The administration and the Pentagon Iraqi government keeps using arbitrary formulas to make the numbers look positive.

 

I still hear from journalists on the ground and officers that the situation is still extremely volatile people are still dying.

You're worthless.

 

As for the article, I don't really get what it's real point is. This has been common knowledge for the past three months.

 

I'm just saving him some time. :lol

fox with a pointless thread about his crazy wack job belief that the war is winning the hearts and the minds of the iraqis? no...he would never ever do such a thing...

:lol

 

Where is that implied or said?

 

What did I make up?

 

You guys are the ones who make connections that don''t exist.

 

I saw this on CNN Headline News this morning. Do they have a 'wack job belief' as well? :lol

 

I do love how any good news out of the region makes the Dems squirm though. Pretty sad.

What the hell are you thinking? If something good happens in Iraq and you report it, you're obviously a crazy wack job.

 

Because we all know some guy who was on Admin King, Stewart or CNN will always discredit anything good in Iraq and he will always have the correct opinion on the matter.

*saving GM some time*

 

We don't know for sure that the violence death level is really down. The administration and the Pentagon Iraqi government keeps using arbitrary formulas to make the numbers look positive.

 

I still hear from journalists on the ground and officers that the situation is still extremely volatile people are still dying.

You're worthless.

 

As for the article, I don't really get what it's real point is. This has been common knowledge for the past three months.

 

I'm just saving him some time. :lol

 

We know. Christ. Let it go. Aren't you becoming just as predictable as you claim he is? 90% chance you reply to Fox's thread with a sarcastic post about FutureGM.

 

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The article is right. It's a good thing Iraqi civilian deaths are down. But what exactly are we going to be able to do to preclude the Iraqi civlian deaths from increasing other than staying there forever as the primary police force?

 

Iraq is not America. There is so much simmering tension between all these groups vying for central amount of power, with a history of attacking each other, and with a limited amount of resources, namely oil.

 

The more simplified we make situations, the more likely we make an idiotic mistake, like getting into this mess in the first place. We fell for simple-minded crap going into this war.

fox with a pointless thread about his crazy wack job belief that the war is winning the hearts and the minds of the iraqis? no...he would never ever do such a thing...

:lol

 

Where is that implied or said?

 

What did I make up?

 

You guys are the ones who make connections that don''t exist.

 

I saw this on CNN Headline News this morning. Do they have a 'wack job belief' as well? :lol

 

I do love how any good news out of the region makes the Dems squirm though. Pretty sad.

thats laughable...the only good news that can come from this region is that we are leaving it the hell alone...and you guys all make fun of future gm because he posts up "predictable" material when ol foxy is the most predictable lunatic from the fringe that there is here...well short of accord that is...but my point is rabble rouse...the point is...that while civillian deaths are declining...they arent over...and it wouldnt take much of an event for those statistics to head drastically back in the direction that we are used to either...Iraq has been a quagmire since before day 1 and these are the threads that foxy is so quick to never post

thats laughable...the only good news that can come from this region is that we are leaving it the hell alone...and you guys all make fun of future gm because he posts up "predictable" material when ol foxy is the most predictable lunatic from the fringe that there is here...well short of accord that is...but my point is rabble rouse...the point is...that while civillian deaths are declining...they arent over...and it wouldnt take much of an event for those statistics to head drastically back in the direction that we are used to either...Iraq has been a quagmire since before day 1 and these are the threads that foxy is so quick to never post

 

El OH El.