I just makes the most BASEBALL sense in my opinon. Winning is what I care most about, with everything else taking a backseat. We just have to AGtDA I suppose...Agree to disagree.

say Cabs turns into a 30hr .300 110rbi guy

 

there arent many OF like him so why not keep him there

 

you know what i mean? Actually theres plenty of OF like that as compared to 3B like that...his value is ENORMOUS at 3B and thats how I rationalize trading Lowell.

but why not have 2 of them in the lineup?

 

i still dont see your rationalization

OK..last try. We are a middle of the road to small payroll team with 2 very valuable players who can play a great 3B. One is turning 30 and costing us 8 million per while the other is 20(or 21?) with an incredibly promising future and a minuscule price tag. The more expensive player can be turned over for a good return (pitching/OF prospects/whatever) because of high demand for 3B saving us 8MM per season which opens up a whole range of possibilites we can't fathom right now (probably enough for Vlad, bullpen and maybe Penny long term). Of course this could all be moot if the FO tried secretly to gauge his value and found clubs not interested (highly unlikely) so decided to keep him. My analysis is obviously done without thought of emotional attatchment to players, so take that with a grain of salt. Last post in this thread...have fun.

 

 

Again I love Mike Lowell.

Some of you have no concept of comparing numbers to position played. Compare his numbers this year to other corner OFs and then compare his numbers to other 3B. His highest value is at 3B. I'm not saying it was dumb to re-up Lowell, but resources for a cash strapped team could have been spent more wisely with an able, CHEAP replacement at 3B.

Sham, you are going to lose this argument no matter what. Why? Lowell had the best stats of any 3B this season - and he missed a month. Also, he signed well under market value at $8M per, he could have held out a year and tested the market and got at least $10M+ had he another season like this year. We got a damn good deal.

 

As for Cabs, he played 3B, yes. And you could argue that his best value is at 3B - but what would you do, move Lowell to OF to increase his value? Trade Lowell!? No, you have a gold-glove caliber 3B that had a great offensive season already planted at 3B. And now, Cabs is playing RF/LF. His bat is still available, and he is playing another defensive position. How does this create a problem for the cash strapped Marlins? Not to mention, Cabs wont be arbitration eligible for another couple of years.

 

Besides, if you moved Cabs to 3B and traded Lowell, you would have to fill 2 holes now (RF and LF) with roughly $16M dollars. It seems to me you arent going to do better in this situation than we alreadt are. You are not accounting for the hole that would be left by Lowell's vacancy...

 

I understand the argument of trading Lowell, using his money to sign Vlad - but why do that when you could just sign Vlad now, spend a little extra money (about $4M more than you were for Pudge) AND keep everyone? Seems to me $4M dollars is well worth it. Rather than gutting your team, risk alienating your fan base just so you can have 2 and not 3 of the players mentioned. All for what, $4M dollars?!

I see your point sorianofan but if he can get back to his MVP numbers then he wouldnt really be a jose valentin. Plus hes better than Alex Gonzalez with the bat by a mile.

His MVP numbers weren't really that good besides RBIs and the memorable 20 game winning streak.

 

He had a .861 ops in 2002. Soriano had a .863. Soriano or Giambi really should of been MVP if they don't want to give it to loser teams because a rod did hit 57 homers. Now arod wins this year and not carlos delgado- idiot writers.

 

Tejada commands about 10 million a year. Gonzalez makes 2 million a year. Is Tejada 5 times better? No. His ops is only .030 -.040 more. I understand, Gonzalez is definitely not that good at all, but Tejada really isn't either. His MVP season is unlike all of his years, he's really more of a low .800 ops guy in his prim than a mid to high .800 ops guy. He might dip down further into the high .700s like jose valentin.

 

Tejada isn't horrible, he's a good bat for a SS, but his defense is bad and he's too much money. A Sheffield for two million more would be so much more valuable.

 

You guys should of signed Catalonotto when you had the chance

Theres a fallacy right away in your argument...Both Rolen and Mueller are better offensive 3B than Lowell with Rolen being a better defensive 3B. I also fail to understand how moving one OF creates 2 holes...agghhhh...I can't argue with you guys, my thinking is on a totally different level. I'm not saying that in conceited way I just consider different things that nobody else even tries to learn about.

Sham i see your point.... and totally disagree....

Theres a fallacy right away in your argument...Both Rolen and Mueller are better offensive 3B than Lowell with Rolen being a better defensive 3B. I also fail to understand how moving one OF creates 2 holes...agghhhh...I can't argue with you guys, my thinking is on a totally different level. I'm not saying that in conceited way I just consider different things that nobody else even tries to learn about.

Like I said, I understand what you are saying about Cabrera having more value at 3B, but I think with Lowell on this team - you cant play him there. Sorry.

 

And you dont just trade Lowell so you can maximize Cab's value. That is ridiculous - because you got one of the better 3B in all of baseball for relatively cheap ($8per).

 

Oh, and show me how Rolen and Mueller's numbers are better offensively than Lowell's please. Because last I checked, Lowell won the Silver Slugger award this year and was the ONLY 3B to have 30+ HR and 100+RBI. Oh, and he missed a month.

 

Just to demonstrate how moving on OF makes 2 holes - I will spell it out r e a l

s l o w f o r y o u.

 

You trade Lowell - that leaves 3B open.

You move Cabs to 3B - that leaves RF open.

You already have LF open too - I am assuming that is why you are kicking around the Vlad deal because you are going to move Conine to 1B and get Vlad to play LF or RF and have Cabs in the other corner OF position.

 

Lets recap:

Conine at 1B

No one in RF (that is why you are going to acquire Vlad)

Cabs moves from LF to 3B.

Trade Lowell to open 3B for Cabs.

That equals 2 open OF spots - barring the acquisition of Vlad, in which case acquiring him leaves you with one.

 

BUT:

You keep Lowell at 3B

Move Conine to 1B

Cabs is put in LF

Sign Vlad (with Fudge money $8M, and $4M more) to play RF

 

You keep all these hitters, Lowell and Cabs well below market value. Conine can platoon with Choi, split some time in OF. You sign Vlad for a little more and keep this team intact WITHOUT upsetting fan base. This makes much more sense.

You are forgetting we have Choi which would keep 9ner in LF...the people who hand out the silver slugger award value different stats than I do. So your arguments only hold wait for you and them, not me. Like I said I really can't discuss this with the people on this board...you guys just don't believe in the stuff I do, so its futile.

You can always try this:

 

3B: Lowell

SS: Cabs

LF: 9er

RF: Vlad

:shifty