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I went to a no-hitter once... Remember that old dude on the Phillies who left in the 1st inning with arm fatigue last week? Ray Holiday? Yeah, that's it. He was pretty good once at Sun Life. Didnt our guy James Johnson throw a one-hitter or something that game as well?

That interview really comes across as Stanton being more worried about his own numbers with his arbitration years coming up. He wants to be able to have more dingers so he can parlay that into a bigger contract. I'm sure he would love it at Yankee Stadium and some of the other bandbox ballparks in the league. Is it me or has Giancarlo been complaining a lot lately...its starting to get annoying.

I hope our younger prospects don't turn out to be the same pretenders and actually have their plate discipline translate to the majors. I'm sure every single team throughout all of baseball history has thought the same thing. They're called prospects for a reason...

Good young pitching with live arms. And it could get better I believe it WILL! Heaney needs to be promoted soon to AA, Flynn will show us what he's got in September, and our five man rotation next year to start off could actually be: Fernandez, Turner, Eovaldi, Flynn, Alvarez. That's opening day and that can change DRASTICALLY (for the better, too!) in June, which is an amazing thought. It is amazing, ask the Nationals how its feels to always "plan for the future seasons of success". Besides, I think that there is truly a method to this madness, so to speak. It's widely suspected that Loria has his fingers in everything that the Marlins do, I suspect that he is really looking to sell the team in a couple years and either wants to make one last run at a World Series and/or increase the potential suitors who want to buy the team with all of this young, and Major League experienced, talent.

While I agree with your conclusions about how much money the Marlins make/lose where I disagree with you is how this shows how much money Loria makes/loses. When you own multiple multi-million dollar businesses there are many ways to make one business look more/less profitable without affecting your personal profit. For example everyone is aware that the Marlins pay Jeffrey Loria and David Samson's company millions of dollars in management fees every single year which is included in your expenses. Some how every other team who had their financials leaked got by without having a similar expense. So this expense for the Marlins is still going to Loria. You don't get poorer by moving money from your left pocket to your right. This is creating an expense and hiding part of the Marlin's income. Another example is Loria loaning the Marlins money and then charging them a higher than standard interest rate. Now if Loria wanted to show that the Marlins were more profitable for a year couldn't he just not charge his own team for his own management? Or use one of his companies to loan the team money at a lower than standard interest rate? I have a feeling if he was about to sell the team, the financial outlook he would provide for a potential buyer would be much rosier. And that's just the examples that we know about. Are you sure that there are no other shady dealings of Loria having the Marlins overpay one of his other companies for a service or having one of his other companies underpay the Marlins? To be completely honest I don't know. But if you put a gun to my head I would guess yes. Heck if I owned a team and a management company and I had an incentive to make my team look less profitable I would pay my own company to manage the team too. I would loan the team money and then charge them extra interest for it. If I owned a food service company I would give my company a sweetheart concession deal. If I owned an art company I would pay them an exorbitant fee to commission a ridiculous and ridiculously expensive hideous sculpture in center field. I'm not saying Loria did any of that (other than the first two which he obviously did) but there are ways to make a business you own look unprofitable on paper and I'm not willing to assume that Loria does nothing like that when he has already been caught doing things like that. I don't even care if Loria is making money whether under the table or above it. I am annoyed by his insistence that his primary focus is on winning and a distant secondary concern is money. If that were the case we could have gotten much better prospects out of the Jays by not making them take so much salary. Making money is his primary focus, which I have absolutely no problem with. Just admit it. Of course he wouldn't have gotten so much money to build a stadium if he admitted it. Which brings us to another point. How much money will Loria end up making off of the stadium deal when he finally sells the team? My guess is the new ballpark would increase the sale price by well over the amount that the Marlins put into the deal. While that isn't realized yet, its still there. If I buy a negative cashflow property and somehow make the city improve it so that I can flip it later for a much higher price, I am technically losing money currently, but making it back and more in the longterm at the expense of taxpayers. Bottom line in the overall owning of the Expos and the Marlins Loria is going to make a killing whether directly or indirectly, which is good business on his part regardless of whatever profit/loss he shows. My main point is while you can show that the Marlins made/lost/broke even in any year due to creative financial maneuvering the amount of money Loria makes off of owning the Marlins is understated by these numbers because he can do things like pay himself millions in management fees, loan the Marlins money and then charge them a higher interest rate than they can get elsewhere or any of the dozens of other things that none of us have even thought of. But according to some here, "you can't prove that, so its not true at all". I'm not one of them. At the end of the day, yes Loria lost money last season, yes Loria has a track record of being a cheapskate and using the franchise as a means of fattening his wallet (and he has every right to do so, being that its "his team"). But until the day comes where he decides to sell the franchise, all of this will be for naught, considering that there will always be the line to where people will constantly make excuses for him on one side and on the other are people who believe that he practices witchcraft in his spare time. It's more like, "if you can't show that it's a fact, you shouldn't say that it's a fact," which is very different, and pretty reasonable. It is reasonable, but if there was evidence that would support said argument (i.e. the existence of "Double Play Company"), those things have to be taken under consideration. But again, this bickering is pretty pointless. There won't be any moves regarding ownership until 2015 at the earliest.

While I agree with your conclusions about how much money the Marlins make/lose where I disagree with you is how this shows how much money Loria makes/loses. When you own multiple multi-million dollar businesses there are many ways to make one business look more/less profitable without affecting your personal profit. For example everyone is aware that the Marlins pay Jeffrey Loria and David Samson's company millions of dollars in management fees every single year which is included in your expenses. Some how every other team who had their financials leaked got by without having a similar expense. So this expense for the Marlins is still going to Loria. You don't get poorer by moving money from your left pocket to your right. This is creating an expense and hiding part of the Marlin's income. Another example is Loria loaning the Marlins money and then charging them a higher than standard interest rate. Now if Loria wanted to show that the Marlins were more profitable for a year couldn't he just not charge his own team for his own management? Or use one of his companies to loan the team money at a lower than standard interest rate? I have a feeling if he was about to sell the team, the financial outlook he would provide for a potential buyer would be much rosier. And that's just the examples that we know about. Are you sure that there are no other shady dealings of Loria having the Marlins overpay one of his other companies for a service or having one of his other companies underpay the Marlins? To be completely honest I don't know. But if you put a gun to my head I would guess yes. Heck if I owned a team and a management company and I had an incentive to make my team look less profitable I would pay my own company to manage the team too. I would loan the team money and then charge them extra interest for it. If I owned a food service company I would give my company a sweetheart concession deal. If I owned an art company I would pay them an exorbitant fee to commission a ridiculous and ridiculously expensive hideous sculpture in center field. I'm not saying Loria did any of that (other than the first two which he obviously did) but there are ways to make a business you own look unprofitable on paper and I'm not willing to assume that Loria does nothing like that when he has already been caught doing things like that. I don't even care if Loria is making money whether under the table or above it. I am annoyed by his insistence that his primary focus is on winning and a distant secondary concern is money. If that were the case we could have gotten much better prospects out of the Jays by not making them take so much salary. Making money is his primary focus, which I have absolutely no problem with. Just admit it. Of course he wouldn't have gotten so much money to build a stadium if he admitted it. Which brings us to another point. How much money will Loria end up making off of the stadium deal when he finally sells the team? My guess is the new ballpark would increase the sale price by well over the amount that the Marlins put into the deal. While that isn't realized yet, its still there. If I buy a negative cashflow property and somehow make the city improve it so that I can flip it later for a much higher price, I am technically losing money currently, but making it back and more in the longterm at the expense of taxpayers. Bottom line in the overall owning of the Expos and the Marlins Loria is going to make a killing whether directly or indirectly, which is good business on his part regardless of whatever profit/loss he shows. My main point is while you can show that the Marlins made/lost/broke even in any year due to creative financial maneuvering the amount of money Loria makes off of owning the Marlins is understated by these numbers because he can do things like pay himself millions in management fees, loan the Marlins money and then charge them a higher interest rate than they can get elsewhere or any of the dozens of other things that none of us have even thought of. But according to some here, "you can't prove that, so its not true at all". I'm not one of them. At the end of the day, yes Loria lost money last season, yes Loria has a track record of being a cheapskate and using the franchise as a means of fattening his wallet (and he has every right to do so, being that its "his team"). But until the day comes where he decides to sell the franchise, all of this will be for naught, considering that there will always be the line to where people will constantly make excuses for him on one side and on the other are people who believe that he practices witchcraft in his spare time.