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Al's walk rate's not all that off from what it was last season... 13 walks in 16 innings.. Jack McKeon says the walks better stop in spring training... me thinks Jack should get a tape of Al last year.. d.

Al Leiter will provide innings and will be a calming presence with the younger players. :lolup 721951[/snapback] Well, if he doesn't have a good season, at least we didn't trade AJ Burnett to get him. :whistle 721977[/snapback] well.. that's not fair... the Mets traded for Al in before '98 and he had a great season 2.47 ERA .. and the mets got way more than their money's worth out of Al... pitched them into the playoffs in '99 started game one of the WS in '00.. That Al is better than anything AJ has been thus far in his career... problem is.. THAT Al is gone.. and THIS Al is the one i described a few posts ago.. d.

and just to add.... The reason that happens to al is this... He has his cutter.. and awesome pitch.. he burries it inside to righties.. however the old Al used to throw hard enough to get swings and misses.. His fastball used to range from 91-93.. at times years ago even hit 95,.. now his cutter is 85-88mph... instead of swings and misses he gets way more foul balls.. thus driving his pitch count up.... he still does get outs... but his loss of velocity his made him nibble more causing even MORE walks... he's the epitomy of a 5 inning guy... at least he was last year.... and judging on some spring performances.. that may not have changed.... d.

Careful when saying Leiter will give you innings... he'll be 3-2 on everyone and drive you nuts... trust me on that one..... and this is coming from a Leiter fan... he's at times impossible to watch.. here's a typical Leiter at bat: Ball one.. Ball two inside..... foul ball- strike one... ball three inside.. foul ball strike two... foul ball... foul ball... pulled foul again... ripped foul... still 3-2.. throw to first... fouled again.. and either ball four (had 97 walks last year) or a ground out to third... painful.. d.

Wheres Roberto Hernandez? You forgot to mention the Dejean may make the pen despite his ligament tear in his calf. Also Orber Moreno is probably going to be back before the all-starbreak... Wheres scott strickland, hes supposed to be the main middle man... And Koo is more of a Long reliever-Lefty guy, not really like a harder throwing closer type like Sasaki, but the simularity is there both trying to see if they can compete in the majors... 721380[/snapback] - On the Phillies, since he plays for them - I mentioned Orber Moreno, and I would have mentioned DeJean if he didn't have 8 or so pitchers ahead of him, uttering him a moot point - I don't know how a nonroster invitee is going to be the main middle guy, but if that's your take I'm sure I'll love reading about it in your NL East preview - I don't see where I put that Koo was Sasaki at all, more that he would try to emulate Sasaki's performance, which has less ot do with what type of pitcher he is and more with the numbers he put up You mentioned Adams but forgot to put him in the projected bullpen, Floyd won't start, he'll get a bit more seasoning in AAA or start a few games to start the season... Also Aaron Fultz is an big option for lefty specialist... 721390[/snapback] - I didn't forget to put him in the projected bullpen, he doesn't deserve to start in the bullpen. There's a difference. - Gavin Floyd will be in the majors Opening Day, and if he isn't the Phillies deserve to lose. - Yeah, that 4.85 career ERA makes Fultz a really attractive option, and the even better 5.04 last season is even more impressive. He'll be there guaranteed though. It's also nice that he improves his numbers against lefties, all the way down to 4.81 against the type of batter he's supposed to be a specialist of. Bravo! He doesn't deserve to be in the pen. Why don't you try to actually contribute something to the conversation, or at least find holes that actually exist? :thumbup 721640[/snapback] Dejean (provided he's healthy) will be the Mets 8th inning set up guy... d.

This is kind of rediculous guys.. we all have to be fair and objective... please? I mean, c'mon.. if you watch baseball.. you know that's one of Reyes' strong points is his defense... this shouldn't even be a debate guys.... if you know what you're talking about... d.

Nice work. I disagree w/ you on the Mets rotation however. You say Pedro's a 5 or 6 inning pitcher. Pedro averaged 7 innings last year. 217 IP. So be careful there. Also you mentioned the Mets average age is retirement in the rotation. The age in the mets rotation is 33,39,30,29,32. Not all that old. I mean, Tommy's 39 but his 3.6 ERA last year i'll guess they'll take. Other than that, good work. d. 720028[/snapback] Pedro averaged a high number of IP, yes. But he does have a notorious issue with reaching the century mark pitchwise. I think as his arm gets more and more aged this season and that rotator cuff bothers him more, you'll see his at-bats last alot longer than normal and hence a loss of IP. Tom Glavine is 39, yes. However, one can't deny Pedro's obvious twilight career wise. Steve Trachsel isn't exactly on the right side of the fence as far as his career is concerned, Kaz Ishii needs a serious bounce back year or he might as well retire because he isn't bringing much to the table. 720105[/snapback] 720107[/snapback] Once again, i'll have to respectfully disagree... the idea is to pitch innings.. and no matter how many pitches he gets tired at.. he was among the leaders in IP last year.. this whole 100 pitch thing is way over blown.. look at the numbers.. and as far as the obvious "twilight".. i don't know if i can underestimate him to that degree as you have... if 227k's leading the AL is twilight, he's doing pretty good... Pedro will do well coming over to the NL i believe.. the lineups are shorter.. and if you listen to him and what some are saying he feels better than he has in 3 or 4 years.. and he has a 1.64 ERA this spring... Pedro will be very good this year... now years 3 or 4 or that contract are probably a different story.. but this year will be .. or at least SHOULD be a very good year for him.. trouble in the NL EAST... Tracsel's last 3 years have been three of the best in his career..... Kaz Ishii is not very good...... Glavine's Glavine.. still a good pitcher who relies on good defense.. something those Mets did NOT have last year.. d.

Nice work. I disagree w/ you on the Mets rotation however. You say Pedro's a 5 or 6 inning pitcher. Pedro averaged 7 innings last year. 217 IP. So be careful there. Also you mentioned the Mets average age is retirement in the rotation. The age in the mets rotation is 33,39,30,29,32. Not all that old. I mean, Tommy's 39 but his 3.6 ERA last year i'll guess they'll take. Other than that, good work. d. 720028[/snapback] Pedro averaged a high number of IP, yes. But he does have a notorious issue with reaching the century mark pitchwise. I think as his arm gets more and more aged this season and that rotator cuff bothers him more, you'll see his at-bats last alot longer than normal and hence a loss of IP. Tom Glavine is 39, yes. However, one can't deny Pedro's obvious twilight career wise. Steve Trachsel isn't exactly on the right side of the fence as far as his career is concerned, Kaz Ishii needs a serious bounce back year or he might as well retire because he isn't bringing much to the table. 720105[/snapback]

Nice work. I disagree w/ you on the Mets rotation however. You say Pedro's a 5 or 6 inning pitcher. Pedro averaged 7 innings last year. 217 IP. So be careful there. Also you mentioned the Mets average age is retirement in the rotation. The age in the mets rotation is 33,39,30,29,32. Not all that old. I mean, Tommy's 39 but his 3.6 ERA last year i'll guess they'll take. Other than that, good work. d.