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And to think in the next 48-96 hours we will be playing another "must win game" or something like that. The highs are as high as they get. And the lows are as low as they get. This board needs lithium.

Its only took him 2 chances to get the GW rbi home this time. :thumbup

Probably DH tomorrow.

PPD Lots O' rain. No word yet if it's raining men.

Player goes 0 for 3, 0 for 3, 0 for 3, then 4 for 4.? Avg is .333. 4/13 = .333? :plain Player goes 1 for 3, 1 for 3, 1 for 3, 0 for 4.? Avg is .250. 830801[/snapback] 3/13 = .250? :plain I guess I shouldn't expect better brain power from you. Worry about getting a better math teacher before worrying about the Marlins' hitting coach.

The Braves have found the fountain of youth.

1-0 Washington on a sac fly.

Bases loaded in Washington, and it wasn't a 1-2-3 inning, Delgado is hitting 4th.

Well, maybe you should also praise these Dodgers fans for hyping LoDuca's vote total 831112[/snapback] 50/50 chance he makes it. Piazza is a given and then probably Hernandez. Will they take 3 catchers?

These guys weren't onthe 1996 or 1997 team, save a couple of those comeback guys + Louie. The orginization isn't even the same. When were any of these guys SUPPOSE to win a division? Last year? That worked out well.

And now the NHL is left with the problem of who gets Crosby. 831062[/snapback] The only fair way would be for all teams to enter an equal draft lottery, but it doesn't matter though since it'll be rigged and he'll go to the Rangers :lol . 831079[/snapback] Well I think the best way to do it is have a lottery of the teams who missed out on the 2003-2004 playoffs. 831102[/snapback] Doesn't every team in the NHL make the playoffs though? 831107[/snapback] Everyone but the Rangers. :mischief

It's just unbelievable to think that so many more fans are voting for Hee Seop Choi over Carlos Delgado. 831101[/snapback] Its because LA fans are homers in this respect and the Marlins fans vote with their brain and vote Lee or Pujols. Wait what am I saying... what Marlins fans? :plain

And now the NHL is left with the problem of who gets Crosby. 831062[/snapback] The only fair way would be for all teams to enter an equal draft lottery, but it doesn't matter though since it'll be rigged and he'll go to the Rangers :lol . 831079[/snapback] Well I think the best way to do it is have a lottery of the teams who missed out on the 2003-2004 playoffs.

If you're not number 1 it doesn't matter. You can only vote for 1 1B in the NL. It just shows LA fans are huge homers an don't vote for the best guy at the position.

AHEAD OF SCHEDULE Out with a stress fracture in his throwing elbow, right-hander Antonio Alfonseca played catch for 10 minutes Tuesday and was encouraged. That was twice as long as Monday's session, his first since going on the disabled list April 21. Alfonseca said he underwent an MRI on Monday and saw the results. According to the pitcher, the fracture in his elbow has healed. "I had that crack in my elbow a couple years ago and this year it got a little bigger," he said. "It's closed now. I'm fine." Under the most optimistic scenario, Alfonseca said he might be able to return to the bullpen by Aug. 1. He will continue playing catch for two more weeks, then throw a couple of bullpen sessions followed by live batting practice. From there, under his plan, he would head to Jupiter for a rehab assignment. "I know my body," he said. "I know my arm. " Staff Writer Mike Berardino contributed to this report http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-mar...ports-headlines

Why can't the Marlins ever target good relievers? I don't think Beinfest realizes that people like Graves, Quantrill, and Julio are "available" for a reason. 831063[/snapback] And why would other teams trade us their good relievers? Don't you think they'd realize the guys we offer are "available" for a reason?

And now the NHL is left with the problem of who gets Crosby.

Posted on Wed, Jun. 29, 2005 It's still too early to judge the season a failure By GREG COTE [email protected] Looking around for a panic button. Apparently that's a must now. Not sure what it looks like, exactly. Flashing red, probably? People keep telling me I need to find it, fast, and mash it down, hard, like a contestant on a game show. Not sure where the button is, though. Must be buried somewhere around here underneath these 88 remaining games, under these three long months ahead when still sails might billow fat with tail wind for all we know on a breezeless, late June night. Can't purvey common sense, though. No. Isn't fashionable. Can't mention how plain silly it is to jettison hope on a Marlins season that still shows the fifth-best record of 16 NL teams and finds the locals in -- on the edge, OK, but well in -- the playoff chase. That's too dull, right? The people want strident shrieking, not some dull voice of moderation. Too many of the people are beginning to see Jack McKeon's smoldering cigar half spent, not half left. Bench Mike Lowell! Drop Juan Pierre in the order! Banish Al Leiter to the bullpen! Trade A.J. Burnett for a bat and a Band-Aid! Do something! Today! That's the vibe we're starting to feel. Panic. A call to action, or for change. A game like Tuesday night's throws much mulch on that fire, so that the smoke thickens and becomes harder to ignore. It's a listless 9-1 home loss to the nemesis Braves you somehow need to catch. It's more of the same offensive impotence. It's a night when even your ace never leaves the deck, when Dontrelle Willis' 12-2 record and 1.76 ERA going in aren't as pretty coming out. Good night to wring hands or want to wring necks, all in all. Or at least wring wet clothes, after yet more rain did not deter 20,129 fans but provided another annoying reminder why that dreamed-of domed stadium is sort of important. WHEN IT RAINS. . . A bad month and a bad loss brought the boos out fast when the umpire called a rain delay with the Marlins down by seven in the top of the ninth. The Marlins' tarp gang -- which had seen its Grounds Crew of the Year dreams dashed in comical ineptitude the night before -- redeemed itself with a valiant run to cover an already soggy infield. Remaining fans let loose a robust mock cheer. A few grounds crew troops doffed caps into the sheet of rain. The game resumed after a near hour's delay. It was like sitting and sitting in a wet theater staring at a blank screen in order to eventually watch the final credits roll. Heck, when even D-Train is off the rails, who can you trust? Willis had been carrying the Marlins piggyback all season prior to Tuesday's mortal loss. How dare he spend seven innings as Clark Kent? How dare he bleed? Willis is having one of the great individual seasons in our pro sports history, a conversation that always starts (and still should end) with Dan Marino's record 1984. Tuesday didn't ruin all that for Willis, just as a season isn't lost to four weeks and three days that must have left McKeon wondering why he goes to church nearly every day -- or whether he needs to start going more. Even old Jack is not immune. The Marlins' 12-20 record in the slide has seemed to knock the grandfatherly charm from McKeon, not to mention the wisdom, evidently. The guy was an inspiration into late May. Then all at once he couldn't manage anymore, pending the next win streak. Does McKeon's new book, called I'm Just Getting Started, require a rush-job sequel entitled, Oh No You're Not!? It might, if you're a party to the panic parade. It does not, if you understand that Florida remains in decent shape overall, and know baseball can't be judged like other seasons. The rhythm of the longest season is different, the heartbeat irregular. It is a languid series of starts and hiccups, dips and spurts. GO WITH THE FLOW By this time in football or basketball, the season almost half gone, we have a keen idea how good the team really is, how far it might go. Baseball is more inscrutable, especially with a team like the Marlins, brimming with talent, but underachieving. Do not dismiss such a team easily, tempting as that might be after a night and a month this bad. Not yet, anyway. Not when you look at the calendar, and you know the fireworks haven't even started.

Drese is 2-1 with a ~2.84 ERA.? He is stinking it up in Washington. 830624[/snapback] Put him in the Hall of Fame. We never see pitchers start hot and then cool off. :plain 830629[/snapback] Reminder, we passed on him and have some guy named Al taking the mound tomorrow.

Drese is 2-1 with a ~2.84 ERA. He is stinking it up in Washington.

And to think the Natties are worse than the Marlins in basically every single major offensive category.? I wonder if they are demanding a new hitting coach. :plain 830614[/snapback] The Nationals are an enigma which can only be explained by having an excellent versatile bullpen that can not be matched by anyone or acquired via trade without very costly franchise impacting losses. 830617[/snapback] And to think Bowden is their GM. :mischief I know how you and others love him.

And to think the Natties are worse than the Marlins in basically every single major offensive category. I wonder if they are demanding a new hitting coach. :plain

Eddie was a batting coach for a whole 3 years, and then whatever this year. And its not like he ever took the Indians anywhere. The Indians offense was nothing to brag about until last year and currently right now. Then again you could attribute some of that to the fact a lot of their young players are just plain getting better. Bill Robinson has pedigree because he has been around for a number of years and have taken a couple of teams all the way. BTW, how come you aren't bragging about the Blue Jays and their change of hitting coach?

Our starting pitching has been fairly consistent.? Our bullpen has been cover your eyes awful except for Todd Jones.? You're ignoring the fact that in 2/3 of our games according to your own standard we are pitching well enough to win.? Considering we're not winning anywhere near that often, the offense can only be seen as underperforming. If we agree the pitching has cost us 1/3 of our games then it would be fair to the offense to say they would be doing a similar job if they cost us 1/3 of our games. But alas we have not lost 2/3 of our games. We haven't even lost 1/2 of our games. So you could say pitching has cost us more games then our hitting, in a fair world. Enc is not one of the worst hitters in the league.? He's average, and he's playing as expected.? Cabrera is a star on the rise.? He's not playing over his head.? He's on a normal career path given his obvious talent.? Delgado is not playing over his head either.? He's had better years with the Blue Jays.? Pierre stinks, but it can be argued he's just having an off year where the ball isn't bouncing his way.? Lowell is horrendous.? He was counted on to be a major run producer for us, and he's killing the team. Enc was the 10th worst hitter in the league last year and Alex was dead last, out of usual starters. Carlos is hitting better and reaching base better than his career numbers even though he is older, past his prime AND switched leagues. Most of these pitchers he sees he has minimal, if any, experience against. Of course he has some history with a few, Hudson, Pedro, etc. but really this is new to him. And Cabrera is getting better and that is all you can ask of him. If he was treading water then it would be time to worry but as long as he goes up and up then there are no worries. Do you blame Lowell or Robinson for Lowell killing us? Lowell is on pace to hit 50 RBIs and less than 10 HRs. Coming into the year we all knew if the team was going to succeed the team was going to be carried by Lowell, Cabrera and Delgado and right now Lowell is abysmal. So do you blame Robinson for this? Averages do not tell the whole story.? People keep citing these averages to defend Robinson and ignore the stat that really counts: runs.? And we're not scoring them.? You completely miss the point again about Robinson.? If the offense isn't scoring, it's his responsibility.? If my car won't start, I don't have to know what's wrong or how to fix it to know it isn't working.? If I take my car to a mechanic, and he says there's nothing wrong and no one could do a better job with it than what he's done, but my car still doesn't run, I'm going to find another mechanic. 830567[/snapback] No they aren't scoring runs, but is it his fault or the players' fault? Robinson has has success through his hitting coach career. It would be hard for me to believe he forgot how to coach. This is a Marlin's board so I can understand that people don't want to believe that the players just aren't that good, but that might be the truth, the talent isn't there and what we need is new talent, in particular power.

Many of you seem sure this is Robinson's fault.? Many of you are also eager to say openly what Jack does wrong (line-up wise, situation wise, etc.), or second guess roster moves by the brass and tell what you would do different. So let me ask you this, what would you do different than Bill Robinson? 830386[/snapback] No one has anything insightful to propose? 830409[/snapback] I don't know what a hitting coach does in the first place, but whatever Bill is doing to help the hitters, it isn't working. 830415[/snapback] 3rd in the NL in average, 4th in RISP average, 1st in average after the 7th inning, 3rd in overall OBP. Struggling across the board, not working at all. :plain Yes we are towards the bottom scoring runs, but we have the 4th fewest homers in the league. We have no power and that is what is killing us. We get on base and you can only play station to station so much. We don't run like we used to. And we don't hit for power like we have in past years that is what is killing us. And like I have said before, Bill isn't the one causing this team play station to station and he isn't the one who can teach players power. We need a power bat not fire the hitting coach. 830422[/snapback] Don't forget we are dead last in MLB hitting close and late. 830453[/snapback] We also have had the 3rd fewest chances with that situation. The pitching staff is bad compared to other teams ERA wise close and late, are you ready to fire Riley too? 830460[/snapback] Here's the point for what feels like the 50th time: it is Robinson's f***ing job. He is responsible for the offense. When they underperform all season it is his responsibility. Even he has acknowledged this in interviews. We may not hit a lot of homers, but we're hitting a lot of doubles and triples with RISP. The average stats are misleading. We get a ton of hits and runs in one inning then go several games without scoring more than a run or two. So on balance all the numbers look good, but because there is not an even distribution our run totals and record are subpar. Robinsons's job is to prepare these guys and put them in a place they can be successful. You don't need to have specific suggestions for every player to know that Robinson isn't getting the job done. If he's doing his best and the players have just tuned him out, that's all the more reason to can him. If you don't think a hitting coach makes a difference, go check out what the Indians have been doing since they fired Murray. 830523[/snapback] This even distribution thing always gets me. So would you say our pitching has been consistent? If not, why are you not all over Wiley? This is what I don't understand from you people. You say averages are worthless if you don't live up to the averages on a nightly basis. 21 times the pitching staff has allowed 5 runs or more. That is around 1/3 of our games that the pitching staff has let up enough runs that you shouldn't expect your offense to cover, no matter who you are. If you go out and let up 5 runs its hard to ask your offense to have to score atleast 6, no matter who you are. And the pitching staff has asked the offense to do that in about 1/3 of our games. This team is based on pitching, supposedly, so we are suppose to win the 3-2 type of games. Even the 1-0 games when we hand them over to the bullpen in the 8th or 9th innning. And like I said before you want to judge Robinson, tell me what you would do different. Heck, tell me what he does already that is bad. Who's to say without him they wouldn't be worse? You could have Einstein teach a bunch of kidengartners in calculus and most of them would still fail, so would you fire him? 1/4 of the roster Robinson is given (Enc and Gonzo) are some of the worst hitters in the league. He has Cabrera and Delgado doing above their heads. And unless you want to blame him with Lowell, the other things are like they should except Pierre. Louie is doing what is expected of him, maybe better OBP wise. And Lo Duca is doing what you should expect from him. What would you do different?