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I saw the movie on Friday. I went expecting a good crowd, but was amazed to see that it was not only packed but the theater had to open two rooms for the same showing. Practically everyone at the theater was there to see Farenheit 9/11.

 

I sat down with my husband and waited through the commercials and previews impatiently. Finally the movie began at 10:20 PM sharp. The first scene shows Al Gore celebrating in Florida and holding his hands up in signal of victory... Michael Moore says in the background "did the last three years really happen or was it all a dream?" Many of us can not get to believe that the past three years happened. Moore goes on and explains what happened with the Florida vote recount and the supreme court appointment of Bush as President. They show his inauguration ceremony arrival being badly received. People were holding up protest signs and throwing eggs at Bush's limousine... It was a sign for what was to come in the near future.

 

Sure, Michael does take a big shot a Bush and uses his footage to make him look even dumber than ever before (I did not think it was possible). I was expecting Michael to do more "Bowling for Columbine" type of interviews and "cheap shot" scenes, but he actually lets the images speak for themselves and Bush self-destructs with his mouth with no body's help... Not even Michael's opinion was necessary through it.

 

Michael explains several facts that were buried underneath all the media garbage we get... The ties between the Bin Ladens, the Saudis and the Bush family, the questionable dealings of Haliburton, Carlyle group, Unocal, etc. Such ties come very clear when backed up by facts, documents and interviews with high ranking officials. No one has disputed these facts.

 

I was deeply disturbed and angry at something that occurred in the senate after the 2000 elections. The black caucus reps. were presenting a motion for further investigation of the Florida recount votes and all they needed was the signature of one member of the senate... Not one came to their aid, and that includes Hillary, Kerry and other Democrats. They all gave up! I will not forgive them for that.

 

Then comes the 9/11 attacks, which Michael does not show. He simply uses the sounds of the planes hitting the towers and people screaming and crying, the screen is blank. Then he shows the people with looks of despair and sadness, running, crying and praying. It recalled the memories of those terrible days. A woman comes forward with a picture asking to have people call her if they have seen her husband; they had two babies. Everyone around me had tears in their eyes, including me.

 

On the Saudi flights scandal, officials interviewed said that these people were allowed to leave without minimal interrogation. Someone gave the "ok" for them to be allowed to go after 9/13. An FBI officer is dumbfounded by such, and doesn't understand why were they let go without further interrogating them... A question that still remains unanswered. All we know is that the Saudi government coordinated their exit with the Bush administration.

 

We all know what happened after, the war in Afghanistan. The war in Iraq and the lies behind it. Moore was not kind to anyone here, for he also holds accountable the Democrats that voted to support the President's war efforts and the media for playing shameless "cheerleader" instead of holding themselves to the ethical standard of Journalism for "objectivity".

 

Particularly touching and heart breaking was the central story in Farenheit 9/11. Lila Lipscomb, the mother of a US soldier who got killed in action in Iraq. The movie shows two aspects never seen before, the agony of soldiers wonded in combat, the civilians casualties and the disenchantment that our troops are feeling. They went into Iraq with the ideal of liberating people and fighting the "enemy" but they soon find out that they're cause is a lost one. They are not liberators, but unwanted occupiers and the enemy is nothing else but regular citizens of a country torn apart by war.

 

Some footage shows the horrors of war and some others shows the courage and commitment of those in our military. In the movie Michael says "They have committed their lives to keep our country safe, in return they ask that we not send them into harm's way, unless it is absolutely necessary".

 

I came out of the movie with my eyes red from crying... I can not understand how many of you still support this administration after all they have done to torn our contry apart.

 

See the movie, even if you come out not convinced... Something will move inside you. Rage, sadness, disbelief, hope... Whatever it is, this movie will stir some feelings inside of you.

 

CHALLENGE:

 

For any who have seen the movie and still think it is full of lies. Please post away your beef with the movie. Say what is it that you think is not true... I want to know what in the world would make you think that none of it is true.

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You know what Ly.....

 

I'm going to go see this flaming pile of propagandist shite tonite, even though I'd rather sit next to Pee Wee Herman in a porn theatre than see this drivel.

 

Why? I'm not sure. I think part of it is curiosity. I'm really scared that a few people are taking this movie as gospel. It's scary, and I want to see why, allthough I think I already know the reason:

 

Once again further proof that Americans are stupid. They love/hate this movie because it is so easy to compartmentalize. Either it is everything they beleive, or everything they don't, but either way it's easy for them mentally, which is all they ever ask for.

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You know what Ly.....

 

I'm going to go see this flaming pile of propagandist shite tonite, even though I'd rather sit next to Pee Wee Herman in a porn theatre than see this drivel.

 

Why? I'm not sure. I think part of it is curiosity. I'm really scared that a few people are taking this movie as gospel. It's scary, and I want to see why, allthough I think I already know the reason:

 

Once again further proof that Americans are stupid. They love/hate this movie because it is so easy to compartmentalize. Either it is everything they beleive, or everything they don't, but either way it's easy for them mentally, which is all they ever ask for.

I'll be waiting impatiently for your review... And I'm not even being sarcastic here. I'd like to know what exactly do you find "untruthful" in it.

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You know what Ly.....

 

I'm going to go see this flaming pile of propagandist shite tonite, even though I'd rather sit next to Pee Wee Herman in a porn theatre than see this drivel.

 

Why? I'm not sure. I think part of it is curiosity. I'm really scared that a few people are taking this movie as gospel. It's scary, and I want to see why, allthough I think? I already know the reason:

 

Once again further proof that Americans are stupid. They love/hate this movie because it is so easy to compartmentalize. Either it is everything they beleive, or everything they don't, but either way it's easy for them mentally, which is all they ever ask for.

I'll be waiting impatiently for your review... And I'm not even being sarcastic here. I'd like to know what exactly do you find "untruthful" in it. Jesus Harold Christ, say Tom Green made another movie, and you hate Tom Green. You've seen his past movie, and you know what he's like, and you have heard MULTIPLE times from others what is in his current movie. Are you still going to see it so you can "rationally" debate the merits of it? Come on, that "you have to see it" ship HAS SAILED. F911 has been written on so much in the past month, from fawners and detractors alike, that people like FF have every reason to criticize it based on the multitude of info. You argument is circular and nil, and if FF did see it and posted specific criticisms, you'd probably respond that he "didn't go in with an open mind" blah blah blah

 

'Tis you who is appealing to emotion and rhetoric and not providing any decent arguments why Moore is an honest man. So what do we have in your review? What happened on 9/11 was bad. Saudis left on 9/13 (on order from Richard Clarke, didja know that?). No Senator supported the Representatives. (Not to mention that all these Reps were the Democrats' equivalent of Tom DeLay, i.e. the hard hard left), and no Senator of sound mind would back them.

 

And Moore lets the images speak for themselves? What a crock. it's all in the editing. I can take videos of Mr. Rogers in the past 20 years, insert some shots of Hitler in the middle, and tell you that Mr. Rogers was on a secret campaign to turn our children into Nazis. If you were so inclined, you would believe it.

 

The rest of your "facts" are nothing. They're just assertions that Iraq is a "lost cause" (why? Because people, OMG, DIE in war? Holy mackerel.) and other sentimental blather. What a sheep.

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You know what Ly.....

 

I'm going to go see this flaming pile of propagandist shite tonite, even though I'd rather sit next to Pee Wee Herman in a porn theatre than see this drivel.

 

Why? I'm not sure. I think part of it is curiosity. I'm really scared that a few people are taking this movie as gospel. It's scary, and I want to see why, allthough I think? I already know the reason:

 

Once again further proof that Americans are stupid. They love/hate this movie because it is so easy to compartmentalize. Either it is everything they beleive, or everything they don't, but either way it's easy for them mentally, which is all they ever ask for.

I'll be waiting impatiently for your review... And I'm not even being sarcastic here. I'd like to know what exactly do you find "untruthful" in it. Jesus Harold Christ, say Tom Green made another movie, and you hate Tom Green. You've seen his past movie, and you know what he's like, and you have heard MULTIPLE times from others what is in his current movie. Are you still going to see it so you can "rationally" debate the merits of it? Come on, that "you have to see it" ship HAS SAILED. F911 has been written on so much in the past month, from fawners and detractors alike, that people like FF have every reason to criticize it. You argument is circular and nil, and if FF did see it and posted specific criticisms, you'd probably respond that he "didn't go in with an open mind" blah blah blah

 

'Tis you who is appealing to emotion and rhetoric and not providing any decent arguments why Moore is an honest man. Please stay on topic and post the facts that support your opinion on the movie. Don't give me rethoric from someone else's opinion.

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You know what Ly.....

 

I'm going to go see this flaming pile of propagandist shite tonite, even though I'd rather sit next to Pee Wee Herman in a porn theatre than see this drivel.

 

Why? I'm not sure. I think part of it is curiosity. I'm really scared that a few people are taking this movie as gospel. It's scary, and I want to see why, allthough I think? I already know the reason:

 

Once again further proof that Americans are stupid. They love/hate this movie because it is so easy to compartmentalize. Either it is everything they beleive, or everything they don't, but either way it's easy for them mentally, which is all they ever ask for.

I'll be waiting impatiently for your review... And I'm not even being sarcastic here. I'd like to know what exactly do you find "untruthful" in it. Jesus Harold Christ, say Tom Green made another movie, and you hate Tom Green. You've seen his past movie, and you know what he's like, and you have heard MULTIPLE times from others what is in his current movie. Are you still going to see it so you can "rationally" debate the merits of it? Come on, that "you have to see it" ship HAS SAILED. F911 has been written on so much in the past month, from fawners and detractors alike, that people like FF have every reason to criticize it. You argument is circular and nil, and if FF did see it and posted specific criticisms, you'd probably respond that he "didn't go in with an open mind" blah blah blah

 

'Tis you who is appealing to emotion and rhetoric and not providing any decent arguments why Moore is an honest man. Please stay on topic and post the facts that support your opinion on the movie. Don't give me rethoric from someone else's opinion. Oh puh-leeze. Nothing will satisfy you. It's not proper forum decorum to force someone to narrowly define their answers to please you. It's also poor argumentative technique, because by placing subjective demands on someone, you can easily say they "never responded to your argument" and thus be free from any need to rigorously defend your arguments.

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One more thing... Even if you disagree with absolutely everything that is in this movie, it will give you a glimpse of what we, the Liberals, think. It shows the world in a different perspective that you may not like, but that is the way we see it.

 

If someone from the right can come up with a movie in favor of this administration and managed to back it up with factual evidence... I may go see it, just to see how the right wing mind works.

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Oh puh-leeze. Nothing will satisfy you. It's not proper forum decorum to force someone to narrowly define their answers to please you. It's also poor argumentative technique, because by placing subjective demands on someone, you can easily say they "never responded to your argument" and thus be free from any need to rigorously defend your arguments.

You have not even tried... That tells me you have no basis for your beliefs other than someone else's assertions.

 

Peace! :thumbup

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One more thing... Even if you disagree with absolutely everything that is in this movie, it will give you a glimpse of what we, the Liberals, think. It shows the world in a different perspective that you may not like, but that is the way we see it.

So Michael Moore speaks for all liberals now?

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RICHARD CLARKE! RICHARD CLARKE, THE SAME MAN WHO MOORE PUTS UP THERE AS A PARAGON OF VIRTUE ON CRITICIZING THE WAR. IT WAS HIS IDEA TO PUT THE BIN LADENS ON A PLANE. FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT ALERT.

 

As for the rest o the "shady" dealings with Carlyle, Halliburton, how the hell am I supposed to prove that people DIDN'T have secret conversations? You cant prove a negative. Can you prove that they did? IS THERE A PAPER TRAIL? Is there actual testimony that something nefarious was going on??? Now the burden is on you.

 

Goddamn, where's the antacid?

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One more thing... Even if you disagree with absolutely everything that is in this movie, it will give you a glimpse of what we, the Liberals, think. It shows the world in a different perspective that you may not like, but that is the way we see it.

So Michael Moore speaks for all liberals now? No. I said a "glimpse" into the Liberal mind.

 

Can you guys please be mature and civil for once in your life and take my challenge??? See the movie, post the parts that you think are lies and we can have a healthy debate. Otherwise we're going in circles here.

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RICHARD CLARKE! RICHARD CLARKE, THE SAME MAN WHO MOORE PUTS UP THERE AS A PARAGON OF VIRTUE ON CRITICIZING THE WAR. IT WAS HIS IDEA TO PUT THE BIN LADENS ON A PLANE. FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT ALERT.

 

As for the rest o the "shady" dealings with Carlyle, Halliburton, how the hell am I supposed to prove that people DIDN'T have secret conversations? You cant prove a negative. Can you prove that they did? IS THERE A PAPER TRAIL? Is there actual testimony that something nefarious was going on??? Now the burden is on you.

 

Goddamn, where's the antacid?

See the movie. That is all I have to say. There is absolutely no need to yell.

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RICHARD CLARKE! RICHARD CLARKE, THE SAME MAN WHO MOORE PUTS UP THERE AS A PARAGON OF VIRTUE ON CRITICIZING THE WAR. IT WAS HIS IDEA TO PUT THE BIN LADENS ON A PLANE. FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT ALERT.

 

As for the rest o the "shady" dealings with Carlyle, Halliburton, how the hell am I supposed to prove that people DIDN'T have secret conversations? You cant prove a negative. Can you prove that they did? IS THERE A PAPER TRAIL? Is there actual testimony that something nefarious was going on??? Now the burden is on you.

 

Goddamn, where's the antacid?

See the movie. That is all I have to say. There is absolutely no need to yell. I give up.

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RICHARD CLARKE! RICHARD CLARKE, THE SAME MAN WHO MOORE PUTS UP THERE AS A PARAGON OF VIRTUE ON CRITICIZING THE WAR. IT WAS HIS IDEA TO PUT THE BIN LADENS ON A PLANE. FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT ALERT.

 

As for the rest o the "shady" dealings with Carlyle, Halliburton, how the hell am I supposed to prove that people DIDN'T have secret conversations? You cant prove a negative. Can you prove that they did? IS THERE A PAPER TRAIL? Is there actual testimony that something nefarious was going on??? Now the burden is on you.

 

Goddamn, where's the antacid?

See the movie. That is all I have to say. There is absolutely no need to yell. I give up. Of course you have to give up... You have no facts on which to base your arguments.

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RICHARD CLARKE! RICHARD CLARKE, THE SAME MAN WHO MOORE PUTS UP THERE AS A PARAGON OF VIRTUE ON CRITICIZING THE WAR. IT WAS HIS IDEA TO PUT THE BIN LADENS ON A PLANE. FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT ALERT.

 

As for the rest o the "shady" dealings with Carlyle, Halliburton, how the hell am I supposed to prove that people DIDN'T have secret conversations? You cant prove a negative. Can you prove that they did? IS THERE A PAPER TRAIL? Is there actual testimony that something nefarious was going on??? Now the burden is on you.

 

Goddamn, where's the antacid?

See the movie. That is all I have to say. There is absolutely no need to yell. I give up. Of course you have to give up... You have no facts on which to base your arguments. Lcyberlina's antagonism is humorous and entertaining. Completely counterproductive to intellectual discourse, but entertaining nonetheless.

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RICHARD CLARKE! RICHARD CLARKE, THE SAME MAN WHO MOORE PUTS UP THERE AS A PARAGON OF VIRTUE ON CRITICIZING THE WAR. IT WAS HIS IDEA TO PUT THE BIN LADENS ON A PLANE. FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT ALERT.

 

As for the rest o the "shady" dealings with Carlyle, Halliburton, how the hell am I supposed to prove that people DIDN'T have secret conversations? You cant prove a negative. Can you prove that they did? IS THERE A PAPER TRAIL? Is there actual testimony that something nefarious was going on??? Now the burden is on you.

 

Goddamn, where's the antacid?

See the movie. That is all I have to say. There is absolutely no need to yell. I give up. Of course you have to give up... You have no facts on which to base your arguments. Lcyberlina's antagonism is humorous and entertaining. Completely counterproductive to intellectual discourse, but entertaining nonetheless. What about RippyO... Is his yelling productive? or is it the fact that you agree with him that you like to gang up on me for my views???

 

Once again. See the movie, form an opinion of your own (if that is ever possible) then come and have a debate on it here. Period.

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the people who support this president are not going to change their minds with this movie, their eyes are closed and theyre happy believing lies. they say they want to know thw truth, but they do not. maybe their afraid? who the f*** knows. I don't. This movie/documentary is only .001 of whats really going on. Listen to things Alex Jones has to say. and donald rumsfeld can f*** off.

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the people who support this president are not going to change their minds with this movie, their eyes are closed and theyre happy believing lies. they say they want to know thw truth, but they do not. maybe their afraid? who the f*** knows. I don't. This movie/documentary is only .001 of whats really going on. Listen to things Alex Jones has to say. and donald rumsfeld can f*** off.

Actually, I've encountered a few Ex-Republicans that became Ex-Republicans after seeing the movie... Furthermore, a lot of people who were undecided in another website that I frequent are now voting for Kerry.

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the people who support this president are not going to change their minds with this movie, their eyes are closed and theyre happy believing lies. they say they want to know thw truth, but they do not. maybe their afraid? who the f*** knows. I don't. This movie/documentary is only .001 of whats really going on. Listen to things Alex Jones has to say. and donald rumsfeld can f*** off.

Actually, I've encountered a few Ex-Republicans that became Ex-Republicans after seeing the movie... Furthermore, a lot of people who were undecided in another website that I frequent are now voting for Kerry. well, good. maybe the movie can change people's minds...

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the people who support this president are not going to change their minds with this movie, their eyes are closed and theyre happy believing lies. they say they want to know thw truth, but they do not. maybe their afraid? who the f*** knows. I don't. This movie/documentary is only .001 of whats really going on. Listen to things Alex Jones has to say. and donald rumsfeld can f*** off.

Actually, I've encountered a few Ex-Republicans that became Ex-Republicans after seeing the movie... Furthermore, a lot of people who were undecided in another website that I frequent are now voting for Kerry. well, good. maybe the movie can change people's minds... Maybe some, not all, as you can see from the posts above... *sighs*

 

 

But you know what as long as there are some of us out there that can speak out and express their opinion, all is well. The day my right to free speech and dissenting opinion is taken, that is when I really will be worried.

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if people change their beliefs based on some movie they are idiots. their just as gullible (sp?) as you accuse the republicans on this board to be. if it makes you think than ok, but to just switch views because of it is laughable.

 

im not a republican, nor am i a democrat. frankly politicians disgust me whether theyre repped by an ass or a big ass old elephant.

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if people change their beliefs based on some movie they are idiots. their just as gullible (sp?) as you accuse the republicans on this board to be. if it makes you think than ok, but to just switch views because of it is laughable.

 

im not a republican, nor am i a democrat. frankly politicians disgust me whether theyre repped by an ass or a big ass old elephant.

thats why i said this movie wont change opinions.

 

 

it will make them think, and if they do further research, then they can change their minds..

 

 

but to say a movie/documentary cant change ur life, its ludacris...there are movies, books and many other forms of media that can change even the most bull headed persons mind.

 

 

im just saying its rare that one movie can do it.

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but to say a movie/documentary cant change ur life, its ludacris...there are movies, books and many other forms of media that can change even the most bull headed persons mind.

 

A little too much BET for you? im aware i cant spell that word correctly...but i did it anyway. damnit

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if people change their beliefs based on some movie they are idiots. their just as gullible (sp?) as you accuse the republicans on this board to be. if it makes you think than ok, but to just switch views because of it is laughable.

 

im not a republican, nor am i a democrat. frankly politicians disgust me whether theyre repped by an ass or a big ass old elephant.

thats why i said this movie wont change opinions.

 

 

it will make them think, and if they do further research, then they can change their minds..

 

 

but to say a movie/documentary cant change ur life, its ludacris...there are movies, books and many other forms of media that can change even the most bull headed persons mind.

 

 

im just saying its rare that one movie can do it. actually i was talking about cyberlina. she said that she met some republicans who quickly left the party after the movie.

 

to say that im going to go watch a movie, or read a book and i will change views is crazy. yeah it can make you think but if you change so quickly than you really never believed in what you claimed to believe in the 1st place. views change after time (as in years, not a couple of hours).

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