Greg "Fossilman" Raymer wins the 2004 World Series of Poker!

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This guy is totally bad ass;he won after knocking out D Williams. Altough Im glad he won, I had other favorites like Jesus Ferguson, Luske, Hansen, and new comer John Murphy! By the way, his sunglasses rock!

 

He's going to enjoy his 5 million...

I watched every episode and I was so hooked on it. I wanted John Murphy to win it all but such is life.

 

Fossil man got SO LUCKY. I wish I could only get so lucky.

More fun to play than to watch.

I watched this, so I could know what the hell people were talking about for the next year or so. I got so tired of hearing Moneymaker this and that without knowing who this Moneymaker was.

 

Anyway, this was my first and probably my last WSOP. I can't stand the highly edited nature of the program, and the canned commentary and all that. It's a difficult and thankless task announcing this event. I'm sure these guys watch the tapes ahead of time becaus they have to know what's going to be shown to viewers, and yet they have to pass it off like they're watching it live from the booth or something. It's kind of ridiculous. And considering they watch the tapes ahead of time, its embarassing how crappy most of their jokes are.

 

A while back, I somehow stumbled across a few shows of some other poker tourney event on another channel. They showed every hand, and the commentary clearly was live. The final table was played out over several weeks. That was a lot more interesting. The WSOP on ESPN? Meh.

 

Also, this Raymer guy was both very lucky and very good. He made a couple good laydowns, but since he was so agressive, he was in a lot of hands, and many, many times he came from behind to win the hand. But he never came close to relinquishing his chip lead once he got out ahead.

If you are a student of the game it is very fun to watch the WSOP.

 

I've heard from many people "He got lucky". Poker is not about luck. It's about probability and if you know what you are doing, there is a good chance of winning a hand.

As soon as he knocked out Mike Matusow (sp?), I knew he was going to win. That guy was just playing solid poker. I never saw a single silly mistake from him. He was just straight-up crushing people - no luck involved.

I watched this, so I could know what the hell people were talking about for the next year or so. I got so tired of hearing Moneymaker this and that without knowing who this Moneymaker was.

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Moneymaker = Chris Moneymaker - the guy who came out of nowhere (mostly just played on the internet) to win last year's big prize. He didn't do quite as well this year, but I think he did win the Blind Man's Bluff tourney.

poker is about some luck somewhat in the cards you get.

 

 

but even with crap for cards you can still win if you know how to read your opponent properly.

 

 

thats the real key...knowing tendencies and what hands are best all the time.

See, I think the WSOP is a pretty bad way to learn poker. It really distorts the viewer's impression of the game, since it leaves out about 99% of the hands.

 

Or, at the final table, probably it leaves out 90% of the hands.

So catching a river or getting good pocket hands isn't luck? How is that skill?

So catching a river or getting good pocket hands isn't luck? How is that skill?

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what part of luck in the cards you get did you not understand?

 

 

in truth...poker is much more complex then just 'getting the cards'

I play poker (hold 'em; NL, PL and regular, 7 card stud, 5 card stud, omaha) several hours a day. I know how it works.

 

Yes, it's a lot of "skill" when it comes to betting, bluffing, reading your opponent. It does take a ton of luck especially when you're in a huge tournament such as the WSOP.

I play poker (hold 'em; NL, PL and regular, 7 card stud, 5 card stud, omaha) several hours a day. I know how it works.

 

Yes, it's a lot of "skill" when it comes to betting, bluffing, reading your opponent. It does take a ton of luck especially when you're in a huge tournament such as the WSOP.

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and the skill areas is generally 100% more important than 'getting the cards'

A skilled player usually doesn't have to depend on the river card to win.