just nice to see our boys get some pub every now and then

 

Cabs

Peavy

Penny

Hanley

Utley

 

Hanley's D is what's keeping him in 4th right now. Of course, Sheehan is going by his own numbers and not watching the giant improvement game in and out like we have, but we'll take it at this point.

 

:mischief

 

Also, currently in VORP - Cabs and Hanley are 1,2 respectively

 

In WARP - Cabs is 2nd (to Pujols), Uggla is 8th and Hanley is 14th.... defense is taken into more consideration here

Of course, Joe Sheehan is awesome :mischief

 

Some of these talking heads on ESPN need to start paying attention to real baseball analysis by the fellas over on BP.

Of course, Joe Sheehan is awesome :mischief

 

Some of these talking heads on ESPN need to start paying attention to real baseball analysis by the fellas over on BP.

Sheehan is frequently (or was) on ESPNews each week on the Hotlist

Hanley's defense is keeping him out, but Cabrera's isn't?

Hanley, by a lot of statistics, has been one of if not the worst deffensive player in all of baseball.

 

I don't know who Sheehan is, but I'm guessing he's reading those.

Hanley, by a lot of statistics, has been one of if not the worst deffensive player in all of baseball.

 

I don't know who Sheehan is, but I'm guessing he's reading those.

 

Which ones?

PM he's rated the worst player in all of baseball

 

5th worse SS in FRAA (Betancourt -14, Eckstien -11, Guillen -11, Barlett -9, Hanley -8)

 

4th worse SS in RF (Hardy 3.73, Harris 3.98, Reyes 4.00, Hanley 4.13)

 

4th worse SS in ZR (Harris .756, Jeter .767, Yount .787, Hanley 7.91)

I agree he's not great, but I wouldn't say he's the worst. At least not anymore, he's improved greatly. I'd bet most of that negative value is from the first few months of the season.

I agree he's not great, but I wouldn't say he's the worst. At least not anymore, he's improved greatly. I'd bet most of that negative value is from the first few months of the season.

 

 

I agree with the later part, and I wasn't trying to say he was the worst; I don't put much stock in fielding stats, merely pointing out a probably reason why Sheehan would fault Hanley for his defense but not Cabrera.

Well, I'm of the opinion that if every defensive metric says something, there's at least a grain of truth in them, so I don't doubt that over the course of the season, he's been one of the worst, but I do feel there's been some improvement.

If you go by the simple accumulation of understood and accepted fielding stats (ZR, RF, FP, A, E etc) the reasonable conclusion is that Hanley's a bottom 5 guy, but I think he's absolutely trending upward.

 

And, while I again say I hate the notion of quantifying defense, according to the stats, he's basically even with such beloved stalwarts as Alex Gonzalez and Edgar Renteria.

From what I've heard and seen in limited opportunities this season, both Edgar and Alex are not what they used to be in the field.

From what I've heard and seen in limited opportunities this season, both Edgar and Alex are not what they used to be in the field.

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