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Marlins ready to deal?

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so pavano was better than redman in the reg. season???

IMO, he was better than everyone. willis becket, redman and if you want even penny was BETTER THAN PAVANO DURING THE REGULAR SEASON. MAN WHERE WHERE U??????

he IS better now-and it will be much clearer next year-not that DW will do bad.

I didn't know you were on the boards Miss Cleo!

 

MR KNOW IT ALL!!!! POST MS CLEO TO URSELF MAN. WHY DONT YOU MAKE UP A NEW FACT TO MAKE UR ARGUMENT LOOK BETTER AGAIN???

Why you don't trade Pavano over Redman:

 

A) Pavano is younger.

B) Pavano has better stuff.

C) Pavano has shown flashes of being flat-out dominant.

D) Redman can't hit. :thumbup

 

I think anyone on this board who watched this team this year can say that there were times this year when Pavano was the best pitcher in the rotation.

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Pavs was the victim of 3 or 4 atrocious outings....

 

besides those, he was stellar in 03

And, just as a pre-emptive strike, don't bring up the 12-13 record. Anyone who watches baseball knows how misleading THOSE numbers can be.

Pavs was the victim of 3 or 4 atrocious outings....

 

besides those, he was stellar in 03

YOU MEAN EVERY OTHER OUTING LOL NOT JUST 3 OR 4....

 

HES GOOD BUT IN THE REG. SEASON HE WASNT VERY CONSISTANT. U DONT HAVE A VERY GOOD MEMORY. REDMAN WAS MORE CONSISTANT AND EVEN PENNY. BECKETT WAS THE MOST IF HE WASNT INJURE D

so pavano was better than redman in the reg. season???

IMO, he was better than everyone. ROFLMAO

 

and you call him a bandwagoner for saying pavano was better in the playoffs than in the regular season. have you compared their regular season stats?

If you're going to say one pitcher is superior to the other, at least don't be so cut-and-dry no-brainer about it. It's not cut-and-dry at all:

 

PAVANO:

1998 Mon 134.2 IP -- 4.21 ERA

1999 Mon 104.0 IP -- 5.63 ERA

2000 Mon 97.0 IP -- 3.06 ERA

2001 Mon 42.2 IP -- 6.33 ERA

...2002 Mon 74.1 IP -- 6.30 ERA

...2002 Fla 61.2 IP -- 3.80 ERA

2002 -- 136.0 IP -- 5.16 ERA

2003 Fla 201.0 IP -- 4.30 ERA

Career -- 715.1 IP -- 4.59 ERA

 

 

REDMAN:

1999 Min 12.2 IP -- 8.53 ERA

2000 Min 151.1 IP -- 4.76 ERA

...2001 Det 9.0 IP -- 6.00 ERA

...2001 Min 49.0 IP -- 4.22 ERA

2001 -- 58.0 IP -- 4.50 ERA

2002 Det 203.0 IP -- 4.21 ERA

2003 Fla 190.2 IP -- 3.59 ERA

Career -- 615.2 IP -- 4.27 ERA

 

 

If you're going solely by trends, Redman has been improving every year, while Pavano has been all over the place.

 

Over the course of a regular season, a 3.59 ERA in 190.2 IP is CLEARLY superior to a 4.30 ERA in 201.0 IP. The sample size (IP) is sufficiently large to see who was the better pitcher over the regular season.

 

That being said, I'd still rather see Pavano stay, but that's just my personal preference. The decision isn't obvious at all.

You keep Pavano because he has a higher ceiling, is cheaper at this point, younger, and not so inclined to getting rocked if he is not getting his strikes called by the ump or his stuff isnt on. Pavano has got more heat, Redman relies on deception. I like Redman, but at this point, he is expendable WHEN AJ comes back. We could net a lot for Redman too, more than what we gave up to get him. Either way, gotta love the options that lay before the Marlins.

Redman will be moved. He did a great job with us but he doesnt fit into our rotation. I wouldnt trade Penny or Pavz. They had a very solid season and are still VERY young. Let them stay and see what they do this season.

He doesn't fit into our rotation? What about being the second lefty in a heavily favored right-handed pitching group? And a good lefty, BTW... I don't like the idea of dealing Redman at all. I would consider dealing Penny if AJ comes back healthy before I even start considering Redman. For starters, I believe he would have a greater trade value than Redman. Also, he keeps gaining weight and at some point he will land his huge behind in the DL. And he is not much of a pitcher to tell the truth, but a thrower with no intelligence whatsoever.

What about using Pavano as a long-reliever, spot-starter? Then you can add AJ and keep the rest of the guys in place. That's what I would do, but I don't think they have that kind of money... :confused

Also, he keeps gaining weight and at some point he will land his huge behind in the DL.

"And now the pitcher for the Florida Marlins... 500 lb Brad Penny... a good 98 mph fastball that makes the pitching mound sink below sea-level... and an easy guy to bunt on... it takes him an incredible 15 mins to reach first base."

Also, he keeps gaining weight and at some point he will land his huge behind in the DL.

"And now the pitcher for the Florida Marlins... 500 lb Brad Penny... a good 98 mph fastball that makes the pitching mound sink below sea-level... and an easy guy to bunt on... it takes him an incredible 15 mins to reach first base." :w00t :w00t :w00t

I really dont want to see an incredible arm like brad penny go to waste because of being outta shape. Like David Wells sort of. Good Pitcher, Good Stuff but is just getting fatter and FATTER every year. I'd hate to see that with brad. He really needs to get his act together.

I really dont want to see an incredible arm like brad penny go to waste because of being outta shape. Like David Wells sort of. Good Pitcher, Good Stuff but is just getting fatter and FATTER every year. I'd hate to see that with brad. He really needs to get his act together.

At least David Wells lost some weight before he signed with the Yankees last year. I guess the fatter he gets the more speed he can lose on the fastball.

I really dont want to see an incredible arm like brad penny go to waste because of being outta shape. Like David Wells sort of. Good Pitcher, Good Stuff but is just getting fatter and FATTER every year. I'd hate to see that with brad. He really needs to get his act together.

At least David Wells lost some weight before he signed with the Yankees last year. I guess the fatter he gets the more speed he can lose on the fastball. Not to mention his IQ is in the negative numbers... Imagine a stupid flame-thrower with 600 pounds... very intimidating... :w00t

Not to mention his IQ is in the negative numbers... Imagine a stupid flame-thrower with 600 pounds... very intimidating... :w00t

"UMP! How can you not call that a strike?!? Next time you do that I'll crush you with my BIG FAT @$$!"

 

 

*ump runs to dugout*

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