With the new Citizen's Bank Park opening in 2004, the Marlins have a new ballpark to conquer the Phillies in. The last ballpark to open in the NL East was Atlanta's Turner Field. This park is going to be a homerun hitter's paradise according to many people who have visited. The Phillies say that it is an optical illusion created by the ballpark's intimacy. Scout it out through these composite sketches and give your input on how it could hurt or help the Marlins in 2004 and beyond.

 

 

 

 

Here is the nuts and bolts on this new Philly ballpark.

 

Perfect for the fans who want to know the nuts & bolts of building the ultimate Ballpark. You can find out more by checking out the Playing Field Facts and the monthly Frequently Asked Questions.

 

 

New vs. Old Citizens Bank Park Veterans Stadium

 

Design type

Baseball-only

Multi-purpose

 

Ballpark Site 21 acres 32 acres

 

Total Suites 71 142

 

Total Seats 43,000 62,418

 

Outfield Seats 9,000 19,736

 

Parking Spaces 20,000 15,000

 

Entrance and Main Concourse Street Level Ramps

 

Skyline View

from seating area

YES NO

 

Field View

from Main Concourse

YES NO

 

Field View

from outside Ballpark

YES NO

 

Playing Field

Natural grass

& dirt Turf

 

 

 

 

 

Playing Field Facts

 

Press Release, April 9, 2002:

Field Dimensions Announced >>

 

To have a Ballpark that's world-class includes having field dimensions that are entertaining for fans and a playing field that's fair to both pitchers and hitters. Taking this into account, the Phillies encouraged architects Ewing Cole Cherry Brott (ECCB) and HOK Sports+Venue+Event (HOK SVE) to develop a uniquely shaped outfield wall that creates a new and fun dynamic to fielding balls.

 

The outcome includes a distinctive shape in the wall just left of center field, where unique angles create a corner with distances that extend from 381' to 385' and reduce to 369' at the left field power alley. Just left of center field, the angled center field wall that is 6' high creates a corner with a wall that is 19' high - establishing the deepest part of the field at 409'.

 

Key wall dimensions and heights:

 

Descriptions Distances Heights

Right Field 330' 13'3"

Right Field Power Alley 369' 13'3"

Straight Away Center 401' 6'

Left Field Power Alley 369' 8'

Left Field 329' 8'

 

 

Unique wall characteristics:

 

Descriptions Distances Heights

Center field wall section from right to left 398' to 401' to 409' 6'

Angled wall with corner (just left of CF

toward LF power alley) 409' to 381' to 385' 19' to 12'8"

 

 

Other important dimensions to know:

The overall field geometry of the Ballpark is based on straight lines and is angular - and the shape of the field between the foul poles is reminiscent of Shibe Park. Fans are closer to every swing of the bat, since the distance from home plate to the backstop is 49 1/2' - that's 10' closer than what fans are accustomed to at Veterans Stadium. The distance from each dugout to the nearest baseline is 51'.

 

Part B will be coming out soon looking at San Diego's new PETCO Park.

CF is decently spacious, but down the lines is atrociously small.

Philly's new ballpark has two bermuda triangle like things in center field. Their defense won't be able to cover it as well as lets say Juan Pierre. The new grass is also going to be different for their defense who won't have the rug bounces (Leiberthal and OF mostly) and that will help the Marlins running game.

that park is awesome looking

Man, I hope the Marlins new stadium looks that good! :o

Philly's new ballpark has two bermuda triangle like things in center field. Their defense won't be able to cover it as well as lets say Juan Pierre. The new grass is also going to be different for their defense who won't have the rug bounces (Leiberthal and OF mostly) and that will help the Marlins running game.

Advantage Marlins, DONE DEAL

Best thing was going to The Holiday Inn at The Vet this year and having a perfect view of the new park which was basically the highrises and a hole.

 

The Park is going to favor homerun hitters over anything and The Phillies have the perfect guy who needs a HR Hitter's park, Pat The Bat.

The new grass is also going to be different for their defense who won't have the rug bounces (

How is it going to affect them?

 

Most away games and their ST home is grass and has not affected them.

 

Also THe Phils big thing for the stadium is that it's "Real Grass"

 

In one of their commercials they have hippie music playing while JRoll runs across "The Real Grass" with barefeet and Ex-Phillie Duck doing cartwheels on this "Real Grass".

The new grass is also going to be different for their defense who won't have the rug bounces (

How is it going to affect them?

 

Most away games and their ST home is grass and has not affected them.

 

Also THe Phils big thing for the stadium is that it's "Real Grass"

 

In one of their commercials they have hippie music playing while JRoll runs across "The Real Grass" with barefeet and Ex-Phillie Duck doing cartwheels on this "Real Grass". When the catcher or outfielders throw the ball, they won't have as good rug bounces to help them. Please read the post before responding.

The new grass is also going to be different for their defense who won't have the rug bounces (

How is it going to affect them?

 

Most away games and their ST home is grass and has not affected them.

 

Also THe Phils big thing for the stadium is that it's "Real Grass"

 

In one of their commercials they have hippie music playing while JRoll runs across "The Real Grass" with barefeet and Ex-Phillie Duck doing cartwheels on this "Real Grass". When the catcher or outfielders throw the ball, they won't have as good rug bounces to help them. Please read the post before responding. And once again look into Common Sense before you post, Why would this come up now and tell me something how many Phillies games do you see during the year outside of The Vets. Only a few with The Marlins and yet your already an expert on this.

 

The Phils have never had a problem before on Grass with this but of course I probably wasn't reading your post

this will be interesting. i think that this would only be an advantage to the marlins, being it a new stadium

The new grass is also going to be different for their defense who won't have the rug bounces (

How is it going to affect them?

 

Most away games and their ST home is grass and has not affected them.

 

Also THe Phils big thing for the stadium is that it's "Real Grass"

 

In one of their commercials they have hippie music playing while JRoll runs across "The Real Grass" with barefeet and Ex-Phillie Duck doing cartwheels on this "Real Grass". When the catcher or outfielders throw the ball, they won't have as good rug bounces to help them. Please read the post before responding. And once again look into Common Sense before you post, Why would this come up now and tell me something how many Phillies games do you see during the year outside of The Vets. Only a few with The Marlins and yet your already an expert on this.

 

The Phils have never had a problem before on Grass with this but of course I probably wasn't reading your post Rune, let's use some common sense.The Marlins are a running team. Turf really doesn't help the running game or hurt it too much for the team running. For the team that is defending it changes totally. Leiberthal now must make better throws and can't count on a quick bounce off the turf to get runners out as often as he would with turf. same thing with outfielders trying to nail a runner at the plate.

 

When the Phillies came to Miami this year alone their defense was horrible compared to Philly where they are very good. Byrd dropping balls, Infielders bobbling balls, Leiberthal making some late throws to second.

Rune, let's use some common sense.The Marlins are a running team. Turf really doesn't help the running game or hurt it too much for the team running. For the team that is defending it changes totally. Leiberthal now must make better throws and can't count on a quick bounce off the turf to get runners out as often as he would with turf. same thing with outfielders trying to nail a runner at the plate.

 

When the Phillies came to Miami this year alone their defense was horrible compared to Philly where they are very good. Byrd dropping balls, Infielders bobbling balls, Leiberthal making some late throws to second.

"Byrd dropping Balls" - I thought Pop Ups went up in the air?

 

Also what is this about late throws? THe Marlins ran over him at The Vet(I wouldn't know about at The Pro because I only saw the last series) more so from what I saw at The Pro. Lieby is below average in terms of throwing out runners at The Vet and Away.

 

Also, Pierre and Castillo walked over The Phils at the vet in the infield and in the outfield, despite The Faster Turf. Also from what I've seen Turf only takes a considerable effect on hot days with sunlight.

 

Another thing, your whole point of arguement is around games you saw when THe Phillies played The Marlins, outside of some Braves games and The Few ESPN games you have not seen the majority of their away games.

 

The Phillies best defensive plays came at away games where you don't as high the risk of destroying your body jumping on boiling hot astro turf which I have been on before and you have a half inch of turf and then rock hard cement.

 

Now overall take a look back at The Marlins Games at The Vet this year, Juan Pierre and Luis still got on and were the biggest reasons the marlins dominated there and due to the fact that despite the turf, Lieby still couldn't touch them on The Basepaths.

I wanna see a polo grounds type center field again,500feet.

Byrd dropped a fly ball that was in his glove trying to stop from slipping on the grass in the outfield. He defense is not good from what I have seen.

 

Lieberthal is one of the best catchers in catching runners. The thing is your pitching coach limits him by having pitchers ignore runners basically and Lieberthal has to use bounces to try and get the runners out.

 

The ESPN guys and even the some of the Marlins commentators were saying how bad the Phillies were playing on the real grass in terms of not anticipating hops and slipping with their footing.

I wanna see a polo grounds type center field again,500feet.

Welcome.

 

And I think the 450 we should have in our new park would be enough

If the Marlins keep the same exact outfield dimensions/height it would be interesting.

Byrd dropped a fly ball that was in his glove trying to stop from slipping on the grass in the outfield. He defense is not good from what I have seen.

That's the point, You have seen little of The Phillies outside Miami. He has D, he made a number of key diving catches in and outside the vet throughout the year.

 

 

Now back to the Turf Issue, you say that the turf is a neccesity for them but they still couldn't beat 1 and 2 on the basepaths or while the ball was in play, in the outfield and infield and due to the fact that most of their games are played at night, The Turf did not have as much affect seeing it works best for speed during hot day games.

I wanna see a polo grounds type center field again,500feet.

Welcome.

 

And I think the 450 we should have in our new park would be enough Thanks,i like the 500ft but thats old school i guess,the most a stadium goes right now is about 430ft.