Tigerfan76

:w00t Doesn't Tom Selleck play first base for the tigers? no, you're thinking of burt reynolds. Nah, he got it right, Tom Selleck. Known to be a very very very huge fan of the Tigers.

Ramp drop it, he isn't worth it. Not even the people on his own board like him. Apparently he is their version of Pubes. Not true, not true at all. Some can't stand me, and those were the ones you saw. Many more like and appreciate my enthusiasm and style of writing I bring to that forum.

I'm sorry. I did not mean to come to your guys' forum and upset you all. That definitely was not my intent. I was just trying to say that you shouldn't feel sorry for the Marlins about Pudge leaving for money when they rid themselves of players in offseason 97/98 that expected to play for a competitive team for years to come. That was my only point and I will leave this forum now. I wish you all good luck in the up and coming seasons and I never meant anything against Marlin Fan themselves. Tigerfan76

So I am pretty sure all those players weren't a fluke.? Most were brought in to win a world series only to be dumped a year later, while mainstays were also dumped in money saving moves.? They did bring in the players to buy a World Series.? There is nothing wrong with that, but for the fans that are pissed off that Pudge left because of money, I just named 10 reasons why Florida also was all about money.? Thus, if they can't see that they are hypocritical.? Good enough explanation??? :banghead how does being prior victims of a firesale make it "hypocritical" of florida fans to be "pissed off" that pudge left? i'm sorry, but your logic escapes me. The point all along was that they should not complain about Pudge leaving when the Marlins did it to their players a few years back. Those players expected to play for a winner and when all was said and done they were shipped out. Money was a factor in both circumstances, so I am just saying if you feel bad for the Marlins now, but don't realize they did it to their players in offseason 97/98 then it is hypocritical. I think I either did not explain well enough or you all misunderstood what I was saying. That was my only point I was trying to make. I am not trying to insult you, the fan.

No, apparently you need to recheck the numbers. I listed the numbers unmanipulated for all to see because you are wrong. You, on the other hand, continue to fight a fight you shall not win. I'm outta here, Miami's night life calls. Maybe you'll be inspired and get a life of your own instead of coming to other people's boards and claiming to be right when you couldn't be farther from the truth. Then your source is wrong because Kevin Brown pitched in Baltimore in 95. Hate to burst your bubble but it is true. :thumbdown :whistle

Jeff Conine? LOLOLOL Your credibility just died right there. Mr. Marlin was on the Opening Day roster. Yeah, he was one of those free agents we bought. Kevin Brown and Al Leiter too right? Maybe you'd like to include Rob Nen? Or how about Gary Sheffield? They were all here from before. That is just the fact of the matter. Alou came in 97, as did Bonilla. 80% of the starting staff, what won us the World Series? Already there. 77% of the position starters? Already there. Over 90% of the pen? Yup, already there. Maybe you should recheck yourself. The reason the team was gutted was because Huizenga wanted to sell the team for cheap. He was never a baseball owner. He was only ever interested in the Miami Dolphins. He could care less about the Marlins (or the Panthers, of which he did the same thing). Maybe, just MAYBE, you should actually know what you are talking about before you open your big ass mouth. Hmm, as I said, most were brought in in 96 AND 97, and the firesale is laughable when selling a club. Yes, you may have to cut corners, but a complete firesale? A club sells fairly frequently in the majors, and you dont see them doing firesales. I am not here to pick fights, but considering that you want to throw words around I am game. Go for it. dude, we didnt firesale! our former greedy ass bastard of an owner did yet you are saying its our fault? :banghead No, I am not saying it is your fault, it was the Marlins fault. It was owned by that greedy bastard when it happened. I am not saying you did it. I am saying the Florida Marlins did it. Did they or did they not have a fire sale?

I am not here to pick fights That is questionable, when people here can pick up that you are and people on your own board attack you for doing so. Let's go down the roster and see when everyone arrived, because I am game too and I think I know the team I've been following all my life a little bit better: Kurt Abbott: 1993 Antonio Alfonseca: 1997 (minors call up) Moises Alou: before 1997 season Alex Arias: Expansion Draft Bobby Bonilla: before 1997 season Kevin Brown: 1995 John Cangelosi: 1997 Luis Castillo: 1996 (minors call up) Jeff Conine: Expansion Draft Dennis Cook: 1996 Craig Counsell: 1997 (traded for when he had just been called up from the minors) Darren Daulton: 1997 (midseason trade) Jim Eisenreich: 1997 Alex Fernandez: 1996 Cliff Floyd: 1997 Rick Helling: 1996 Felix Heredia: 1996 (minors call up) Livan Hernandez: 1997 (minors call up, pitched one game in 1996) Mark Hutton: 1996 (traded midseason for Counsell) Charles Johnson: 1994 (MLB Debut, he was first ever Marlins draft pick out of the U of M) Al Leiter: 1995 Matt "Iceman" Mantei: 1995 (minors call up, didn't pitch in 1997) Bob Natal: 1993 Rob Nen: 1993 Jay Powell: 1995 Pat Rapp: 1993 Edgar Renteria: 1996 (minors call up) Tony Saunders: 1997 (minors call up) Gary Sheffield: 1993 John Whener: 1997 Devon White: 1996 Gregg Zaun: 1996 Damn man, what a bought team! You just proved my point. Most of your top talent besides Sheffield, Nen and Johnson was bought and paid for in 96/97 except livan hernandez, whom I never used as proof. When you say Brown 95, that is offseason 95. He played the 96 season. All your free agent acquisitions you typed up are deceiving. You type Floyd 97, Brown 95, yet Brown started only a year before Floyd. Since you are obviously stubborn I will say it one last time. The Marlins dumped salary after the 97 Series. Why, monetary reasons. Pudge left Florida. Why? Monetary reasons. So anyone who sticks up for the Marlins after the 97 Series and yet ridicules Pudge for leaving is a hypocrite. And Mr. Know it all, no one ever said that a bought championship wouldn't be full of home grown people. The players that got you over the Top are the ones that were bought and paid for. They lied to the players that signed there and broke them all apart in Winter 97, so I do not feel sorry what so ever for Pudge leaving. Like I said, its all about the money in these two circumstances, and if you see it no other way that is because you are stubborn.

I think that for the Marlins to land Pudge back Castro would have to be involved in the deal. he's talking about may 1st dude. you cant just sign and trade a player. You have to wait an obligatory amount of time before you can trade him after you sign him.

Jeff Conine? LOLOLOL Your credibility just died right there. Mr. Marlin was on the Opening Day roster. Yeah, he was one of those free agents we bought. Kevin Brown and Al Leiter too right? Maybe you'd like to include Rob Nen? Or how about Gary Sheffield? They were all here from before. That is just the fact of the matter. Alou came in 97, as did Bonilla. 80% of the starting staff, what won us the World Series? Already there. 77% of the position starters? Already there. Over 90% of the pen? Yup, already there. Maybe you should recheck yourself. The reason the team was gutted was because Huizenga wanted to sell the team for cheap. He was never a baseball owner. He was only ever interested in the Miami Dolphins. He could care less about the Marlins (or the Panthers, of which he did the same thing). Maybe, just MAYBE, you should actually know what you are talking about before you open your big ass mouth. Hmm, as I said, most were brought in in 96 AND 97, and the firesale is laughable when selling a club. Yes, you may have to cut corners, but a complete firesale? A club sells fairly frequently in the majors, and you dont see them doing firesales. I am not here to pick fights, but considering that you want to throw words around I am game. Go for it.

as a fan of the Marlins I am diggin this deal as a fan of dawgs everywhere I am diggin this deal and to the Tigers fan who kept talking about the 1997 team being money players.... please explain if you are saying we got all those players the year of the 97 season you are sorely mistaken.... so when you get the chance, EXPLAIN yourself I never said that you brought them all in for the 97 season, I am saying you all brought in high profile free agents to win the world series (which it took to 1997, the buying started at 1996) and then once you won the players were dumped. Thus, my arguement is if you are going to say that Pudge is a money player, then Florida was just as bad for getting rent a players and winning the series only to cast them off afterwards. Trying to say it works both ways....Here is a small list of players that were brought in in 1996/97 and then cast off before the 1998 season ended, some even before the season started.... Jeff Conine, Bobby Bonilla, Moises Alou, Devon White, Kevin Brown, Al Leiter. That list doesnt include the players that were traded or allowed to leave after the World Series also that had been with the club for a few years but then all of a sudden were cast aside in Charles Johnson, Gary Sheffield, Pat Rapp and Rob Nen. So I am pretty sure all those players weren't a fluke. Most were brought in to win a world series only to be dumped a year later, while mainstays were also dumped in money saving moves. They did bring in the players to buy a World Series. There is nothing wrong with that, but for the fans that are pissed off that Pudge left because of money, I just named 10 reasons why Florida also was all about money. Thus, if they can't see that they are hypocritical. Good enough explanation? :banghead

i will remember that... Go ahead, remember it, write it down, whatever. Because it's true, I will be at the local hospital receiving shock therapy if the white sox and their sorry a** team win this division. How do you think the loss of Colon, Alomar, probable departure of Ordonez and the Konerko/Thomas feud along with a rookie manager in Ozzie Guillen will effect the White Sox this year?

The real question is, how do you think losing Pudge will effect the Marlins and their young Pitching staff? Also how many less wins do you think you will have, if any. Also, who is going to be your catcher next year?

I never said a division title, but other than the KC Royals and Detroit Tigers every other team has taken a step back. I agree, Cleveland has some good young talent and will probably suprise alot of people, but Minnesota lost 2 starting pitchers, their two best relievers and their all star catcher and Chicago just lost Roberto Alomar and Bartolo Colon, and they are a team that is very unhappy right now. They are most likely not going to have Ordonez back in 2005, and who knows what will end up with that Konerko/Thomas hate rivalry! I think the Tigers have a shot at 2nd. Then again, everyone in this division does if all the cards fall right! And even KC, although they had a good year last year, and signed Gonzo/Santiago, they still are very injury prone. I think it will start working itself out come allstar break!

I think he makes about a 7-10 game improvement at least on the Tigers. You have to remember now that the Tigers lost alot of close games last year, and now we are replacing Inge with Pudge. The difference he will have on the pitching staff along with what he can do with the bat should make up at least that many games. That being said, with the addition of him along with Rondell White, Fernando Vina, Carlos Guillen, Jason Johnson, Al Levine and the possible maturation of 1b Carlos Pena, 3b Eric Munson and CF Alex Sanchez and I think you have a team that can win about 75-80games if our pitching does not collapse. We are in a very weak divion so anything is possible!

Just so everybody knows...I know the White Sox suck They are my favorite team in all of sports by far, and it hurts me to say that, but it's true. Oh, and just for the defense of my team though, Comiskey is not in nearly as bad a neighborhood as everybody thinks, and well, God, I can't say anything in defense of those 2 morons running on the field except that, most sox fans aren't like them. Although one of those dudes that ran on the field was a Cubs fan.... My Tigers suck too..at least they used too! Things are changing now! Kind of interesting though. The tale of the shorstops. Trammell vs. Guillen! Should be a fun summer!