http://www.motowntigers.com/forums/showthr...&threadid=13956

You know what, they finished last without him, they'll finish last with him.

wow....what losers....they actully think they can win even with pudge.

:anon + Pudge = :anon

hes a great player but i dont think he can pitch and play all the positions himself...

he hit 16 homeruns 85 RBI in Pro Player, which is probably more generous to a righty hitter than Comerica or whatever the hell the name of their stadium is. Plus we had something called above average major league pitching, that's why we won a lot of our games, not Pudge...

Pudge is a great player and they will improve with him in the lineup, but talking about winning the World Series is getting a bit ahead of themselves.

Wow, Tigers fans are stupid... They are saying that they hope Pudge can take them to the WS to get us mad... But what they dont know is

 

1. Tigers suck

2. Pudge is 32 years old, and putting up bad #'s

3. Tigers have no pitching

4. TIGERS SUCK :thumbup

3. Tigers have no pitching

Don't be too sure. A lot of their pitchers have sick stuff, and Pudge will help that rotation by leaps and bounds.

3. Tigers have no pitching

Don't be too sure. A lot of their pitchers have sick stuff, and Pudge will help that rotation by leaps and bounds. :lol When they learn how to win more games then lose..

3. Tigers have no pitching

Don't be too sure. A lot of their pitchers have sick stuff, and Pudge will help that rotation by leaps and bounds. I wouldn't go so far as to say "sick" stuff.

 

Maroth and Bonderman are two decent pitchers, but they aren't in the same league as Beckett and Burnett.

 

When I look at the Tigers, I see a lot more wrong than there is right, and they're obvioulsy going to be better next year because if they find a way to be worse, then they should become an AAA team, hell, in a lot of ways they already are .

Please don't judge the knowledge of all Tiger fans by the excitement a few giddy post-whores. The overwhelming majority of us realize that Pudge will not take the Tigers to AL Central contention, much less WS contention. He's not even a Tiger at the moment, so any such talk is premature. We are understandably excited about the prospect of obtaining a premium player at a position of dire need -- especially after a decade of fielding pathetic teams. The Tigs have had a pretty nice off-season -- if they can avoid injuries I see them winning around 60 games. If Pudge accepts Dombrowski's offer they could push 70. Yes, they still suck, but they're not the worst team in the majors anymore, and that is at least a step in the right direction.

Please don't judge the knowledge of all Tiger fans by the excitement a few giddy post-whores. The overwhelming majority of us realize that Pudge will not take the Tigers to AL Central contention, much less WS contention. He's not even a Tiger at the moment, so any such talk is premature. We are understandably excited about the prospect of obtaining a premium player at a position of dire need -- especially after a decade of fielding pathetic teams. The Tigs have had a pretty nice off-season -- if they can avoid injuries I see them winning around 60 games. If Pudge accepts Dombrowski's offer they could push 70. Yes, they still suck, but they're not the worst team in the majors anymore, and that is at least a step in the right direction.

Good, solid beginning to marlinbaseball.com.

 

I agree on all counts.

Yes, they still suck, but they're not the worst team in the majors anymore

That distinction is quickly falling to my beloved Reds

When I look at the Tigers, I see a lot more wrong than there is right, and they're obvioulsy going to be better next year because if they find a way to be worse, then they should become an AAA team, hell, in a lot of ways they already are .

That's exactly what the 2003 Tigers were, and that's also why were so hyped at the idea of possibly landing I-Rod. Catcher is the last position on the Tigers that is not currently manned by a MLB caliber player -- Brandon Inge being the first stringer.

Congrats Tiger fans! Take care of my Pudge up there. Ignore the geeks. :thumbup

http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...ndpost&p=228336

 

Refer to that link if you want to know my opinion on Pudge.

 

I think I say all that needs to be said in that post.

I just don't understand this move for the Tigers. They're trying to rebuild a team, so they pick up a 32-year old catcher to a contract that could potentially keep them from being able to sign other players down the road, and what they really need is pitching because their pitchers are dreadful. Well if they want to dig themselves deeper in a hole for the sake of may be 5-10 more wins next year, then so be it.

I just don't understand this move for the Tigers. They're trying to rebuild a team, so they pick up a 32-year old catcher to a contract that could potentially keep them from being able to sign other players down the road, and what they really need is pitching because their pitchers are dreadful. Well if they want to dig themselves deeper in a hole for the sake of may be 5-10 more wins next year, then so be it.

Great post, I couldn't have said it better myself :thumbup

I just don't understand this move for the Tigers. They're trying to rebuild a team, so they pick up a 32-year old catcher to a contract that could potentially keep them from being able to sign other players down the road, and what they really need is pitching because their pitchers are dreadful. Well if they want to dig themselves deeper in a hole for the sake of may be 5-10 more wins next year, then so be it.

Here's why: Detroit has no catchers in their system. Brandon Inge? perhaps the worst starting catcher in MLB history. Mike Defilice? A guy you put at AAA in case your two "good" catchers get injured. Maxim St. Pierre? Another light-hitting prospect. Pudge would give the Tigers a grand total of one MLB catcher and buy them a few years to develop a young backstop. He also gives a young, anonymous team a face, not to mention credibility. He gives a young pitching staff a stabilizing force. He gives fans a reason to buy tickets to Tiger games.

 

The Tigers were so bad last year that becoming respectable is their short term goal, and Rodriguez makes them that much more repsepctable. I'm not happy about the 4th year, but I can live with it, especially since the Tigers will see several weighty contracts for crap players (Bobby Higginson, Damion Easley, Matt Anderson) go away in the next two seasons. Those are the mill stones around Dave Dombrowski's neck right now, not the possibility of Pudge Rodriguez falling apart in 2008.

"The funniest thing, the Marlin fans are b***hing how Pudge is all about the money, but how did they buy their championship in the 90's? Hmmmm...how about BUYING IT. Talk about hypocrites."

 

I don't think there is a single Marlins fan out there that views 97/98 in a somewhat positive light.

That's also why I don't like Pudge. Him accusing the club of conducting a firesale was without class.

we had the 4th highest payroll in 97. the other 3 teams that made it to the LCS's had higher payrolls than us. i don't know how exactly that qualifies as "buying" a championship.

to rferry:

 

Have you been hiding under a rock for the last 25 years. All the teams that have won a World Series had to buy a portion of their tem to supplement their home grown stars. The best example is the Yankees before free agency in the mid 70's they had been terrible for the previous seven years. Yes I agree with you Marlin fans are not proud of what happen in 1998 but if Huiezenga(BHF) had not dismantle the 1997 team nobody would have said we bought the pennant.

to rferry:

 

Have you been hiding under a rock for the last 25 years. All the teams that have won a World Series had to buy a portion of their tem to supplement their home grown stars. The best example is the Yankees before free agency in the mid 70's they had been terrible for the previous seven years.

he was quotin someone on the Tigers board.

The Braves writers have the story correct:

 

PUDBE WOULD GET MONEY BUT NO GLORY IN DETROIT

By GUY CURTRIGHT

Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

 

Ivan Rodriguez helped the Florida Marlins go from low-budget outcasts to surprise World Series champions last season.

 

But his reward may be a few anonymous summers of big-bucks hard labor with the Detroit Tigers -- baseball's biggest losers.

 

For that, the potential Hall of Fame catcher can praise or blame agent Scott Boras.

 

Rodriguez, who has a home in Miami Beach, wanted to stay with the Marlins. But the Marlins didn't come close to Boras' asking price of $40 million for four years, offering $24 million for three years.

 

After making $10 million, of which $3 [sic] million was deferred, the 32-year-old Rodriguez didn't want to take a pay cut, so he turned down the deal.

 

Boras claimed that other teams were interested in giving $10 million per season to a catcher with 10 Gold Gloves and 231 homers in 13 seasons. But the Orioles signed former Braves catcher Javy Lopez, and the Tigers now appear to be the only real bidder, although some insist the Orioles are still interested.

 

Rodriguez took a physical with the Tigers on Thursday, and Boras has had extensive talks with Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski, reportedly getting a $40 million, four-year-offer Friday. Boras insisted, however, that a deal wasn't imminent.

 

The Tigers lost an American League-record 119 games last season, and owner Mike Ilitch is determined to turn things around. The Tigers have signed outfielder Rondell White, second baseman Fernando Vina, starter Jason Johnson, reliever Al Levine and backup catcher Mike DeFelice. They also traded for shortstop Carlos Guillen.

 

Personally, I would take Japan over Detroit. For a net difference of $1.6 after taxes, who would move to Detroit from south Florida? What's the over/under as to when Pudge fires Boras?

Well, to our new found Tiger fans on this board, welcome and enjoy your stay. It continues to boggle the mind how a Marlins message board can continue to assimilate fans from other teams like it does. Admin own :cool

 

To the opinions I've read on what has been posted in our humble abode here and on the Tigers' site sava linked us to, I really don't want to draw an opinion on a whole fan base from a few select opinions. God knows if you took a thread with posts from sportscenter, pubes, and a couple others that will remain nameless and hoisted it as the opinion of Marlins' fans everywhere you would be doing us all a great disservice. So I will restrain myself from doing the same. But I do ask that Tiger fans check up on us before they draw their conclusions. I'm pretty sure you don't get much word on what we are doing over up there, as people like Ramp and Biggie can attest to. The comments about the bought World Series.....Like Pudge, you really know how to press our buttons. The 1997 title was not bought.....I invite you not familiar to our organization to read up on when the players in question arrived to the Marlins. You will find most of the core and key pieces had been Marlins from 1996 and before. But that is a pointless arguement, some people just get stuck in their mindsets and never let go.

 

So you know, there is a reason we are not very happy with Pudge and we are happy that he will be heading to Detroit if this turns out to be true. The reason that we are not very happy with him isn't his greed. That was one of the reasons, sure, but most of the people here realized that he most likely wasn't going to resign and he was all about the money anyways. The reason he is not liked at all here anymore is because he turned his back on the community, the fans, and the team. He did the worst thing anyone could possibly do to this franchise, he accused the Front Office of starting a fire sale after he wasn't signed. Now I'm not sure how familiar you are with the events of 97-98 and the Years Best Left Forgotten, but everything was lost at that time. And just when the team was starting to get its fans back, people were coming to the games again in droves, people had reasons to associate with the team again, etc, he has to go and say stuff like that. It was not cool, to say the least.

 

Let me tell you why I am happy he is going to Detroit. One reason is because I've always been a fan of pitching (as people here can attest to) and I have grown to like your young staff very much. I think it will improve leeps and bounds. But I also like the fact that Pudge is getting as far from home as he can without being in Japan. And I guess it sucks he might actually get his money when it was looking so promising that he wouldn't and would have to come crawling back on May 1st, but chances are (and I say it like that because in baseball, you never know, and you guys honestly play in a really crappy division) that he won't get to repeat. I don't think Fernando Vi?a and Pudge are going to be able to that much for you guys this year. So if you guys win with Pudge, congratulations on the signing and hopefully the start of the end of your baseball hell. But if you give Pudge a nice taste of what losing feels like, we won't mind.