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You guys are forgeting the most important thing. "Admin Bigbie" is easily the most annoying name in baseball. I couldn't stand hearing that name every day. What the hell is a "bigbie?" 861551[/snapback] Simple. Its the opposite of a Littlebie

Obviously the O's want that deal because they know that Penn is overrated and Bigbie and Kline aren't difference makers. All they are giving up is Julio, who can be replaced. White Sox is the way to go. 861538[/snapback] Penn is the centerpiece of what the Marlins are getting.

Bigbie is 28

July 18, 2005 Trade winds blowing While the Red Sox have interest in Florida Marlins pitcher A.J. Burnett, there were no Marlins scouts at Fenway Park this weekend, and while Bronson Arroyo's name has been mentioned as possible trade bait, it doesn't appear at this time as if the sides match up. The Marlins are looking for both a starter and a reliever, and the Orioles, with Jorge Julio and Hayden Penn, and the White Sox (Brendan McCarthy) appear to be better matches. There are indications that the Marlins would also like to include slumping (and high-priced) third baseman Mike Lowell in the deal. Curiously, while the White Sox had a scout in Philadelphia to watch Burnett's last start, the Orioles did not. Sox scout Bill Lajoie also was in attendance, but it was unclear whether he was there to see Burnett or Phillies closer Billy Wagner, though it is by no means assured that the Phillies will part with the lefthander. The Sox are actively seeking both a starter and a reliever. They like Brewers setup man Mike Wise, but Milwaukee reportedly is willing only to trade Ricky Bottalico. Miguel Batista of the Blue Jays is available, but Toronto general manager J.P. Ricciardi is believed to have asked for top prospect Hanley Ramirez in return, the same player Tampa Bay GM Chuck LaMar wants for closer Danys Baez. Jason Schmidt of the Giants does not appear to be on the Sox' radar; Seattle's Eddie Guardado may be a possibility, but again price will be a factor.

Penn has had 1 quality start out of 7 total starts. He seems to be another Olsen and Vargas, a stud AA prospect who is being pushed to the majors before being fully developed in the minors. I have to think Beinfest would go out and trade for a veteran starting pitcher before the deadline, because to trust one of the Penn/Olsen/Vargas trio for the pennant race is not practical. Willis-Moehler-Beckett-Valdez, and then pick one of the 3, or trade for someone else with the salary space you cleared by trading Lowell. 861453[/snapback] WHat more can you expect from a 20 year old, only 1 was a "quality start" but all of his starts were good until the last 2, giving up no more than 4 runs in any. If he is traded I really dont think he will be in on the major league team this year.

Don't know if this has been posted: Baltimore Sun Article Horrible deal. The Marlins shouldn't make it unless they get Cabrera and Gibbons over Bigbie. 861420[/snapback] That would be a big ripoff, you dont get those type of deal for an overpaid player and a free agent to be.

Is it possible that the reason why the FO may be focusing on this trade so much is that there isn't anything else better out there? :confused 861250[/snapback] Quite possible, I dont think any of the potential White Sox deal have been confirmed to be offered, so just speculation at his point I guess.

I wouldnt say nothing is imminent. Of course they went to Arizona with the team, there isnt a deal in place yet so they arent going to just take 23 players on the road trip. The way Peter Gammons was talking a deal could be done at any minute. 861245[/snapback] There was all the speculation earlier that the deal with Boston was done. Clearly that isn't true now. 861249[/snapback] I know. I think a deal will be done soon, and if it is with the Orioles I think it will happen tomarrow, Erik Bedard is coming back so they have to make room for him so that could help push things along. According to Peter Gammons the Red Sox arent interested, thats good news to me, proabbly not to you though.

Thanks for the articles, saved me some searching time

Sorry , but your arguement is weak, and Im not even a Marlins or Lowell fan.

I wouldnt say nothing is imminent. Of course they went to Arizona with the team, there isnt a deal in place yet so they arent going to just take 23 players on the road trip. The way Peter Gammons was talking a deal could be done at any minute.

Saying players arent supposed to be compared to one another would be moronic, but what I said is that you shouldnt hold Lowell or any other players to higher standards because you think the balls were juiced then.

Holding someone to higher standard because you think the balls were juiced is assanine.

Lowell's average numbers per season since 2000, not counting this year. 25 HR 95 RBI .280 AVG Didn't feel like figuring out any other stats lol.

While the Orioles wait for a decision from the Florida Marlins concerning a possible trade for pitcher A.J. Burnett, Baltimore may be sorting out what its rotation will be if its makes the deal. All indications are that the Orioles are still the heavy favorites to land Burnett. Sources say nothing has changed the last two days and that Baltimore is still offering the best deal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5071700194.html 861146[/snapback] i like that deal..especially if daniel cabrera is in it but that ain't gonna happen and i'm not sure if i like the boston deal better or not. i like arroyo a lot and if hanley ramirez is in there that would be awesome he's gonna be good i saw him play in the futures game 861204[/snapback] Youre right about Cabrera, and IM glad he is staying put. The Red Sox are supposedly not interested in trading for Burnett, they are looking fo rbullpen help.

The odd part is that he has been a 1st half player in the past :confused

The Orioles have no shot at October without Burnett. I can tell you that. 861181[/snapback] I will admit, I dont think we can make the playoffs without getting another starter. If we got Burnett I think it would be a very close race in the AL East.

I should add that Lowell has the potential to keep sucking or break out and be a very good hitter to my description of him.

A guy batting under .230 and getting paid a boat load of money, a pitcher with a world of talent that is inconsistent and injury prone for a young unproven pitching prospect, an average outfielder, and a young up and down reliever. That is how I see it.

I'm not overy excited about this. I think it is a good deal though. I have said how I fell about it. All I am doing is sharing the latest article and giving my take on the Orioles players involved.

When Penn was called up he wasnt getting his usual velocity on his fastball consistently and was reluctant to use it, some of him getting rocked I think was due to inexperience. He made some rookie mistake, such as throwing 3 consecutive changeups, the first two worked but the third went a long way off the bat. 861170[/snapback] thank u for proving my point we are damn sure not out of the playoff hunt...so therefore we need somebody that is ready now! why rebuild for next year when some players wont even be back next year.. this is the year to win the world series now get it done! :thumbup oh and by the way this kid hasnt pitch more than 6 2/3 innings 861173[/snapback] Well, that wasnt your point. You said it was bad because they are below average players and I just wanted to make it clear that they are not. Wether they fit the Marlins , I will let you decide.

I wouldnt put much stock in those numbers. He wasnt ready for the majors and many have said that if they knew Bedard was going to be out so long they wouldve called up someone else but thought giving Penn 2-3 starts would be good to give teams a chance to see him for trading. Not to mention he got no run support and faced some pretty good teams, dont remember them all, I know he faced the Braves, Tigers, Red SOx 2 times I think.

When Penn was called up he wasnt getting his usual velocity on his fastball consistently and was reluctant to use it, some of him getting rocked I think was due to inexperience. He made some rookie mistake, such as throwing 3 consecutive changeups, the first two worked but the third went a long way off the bat.

Hayden Penn is 20 years old, he has a great changeup , he has a 2 seam fastball that runs about 94-96 mph with decent movement, he also has a pretty good curveball. He was lights out in AA, then when called up he had 6 quality starts than got hit hard in his last 2, his best start was when he went 6 innings and I believe only allowed 1 or 2 runs against the Red Sox. Since going back down to AA he hasnt pitched well. Admin Bigbie is an average player, he still has potential but I am being realistic and saying he is average and has deceptive speed. Jorge Julio will go through stretches in which he is lights out as he did all season until about early od mid June and since we have seen the other side of Julio in which sometimes he is OK and others he is horrible.

You just proved that you dont know much about those players. :lol